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Great post Jeanne. However, I don't know of any marketers who had it as bad as Rodney. One of my favorite Rodney lines is, "Last week I looked up my family tree and found out I was the sap!"
It begins with the lack of a consensus definition of the function. Most people at most organizations can articulate the precise definition of every function except marketing. "Sales" closes deals, finance counts the beans, engineering builds the stuff, etc. But "marketing" definitions are usually the dog's breakfast. Everybody has a definition (read: opinion). This doesn't help the cause.
Thought provoking at least from the perspective that there can't really be any marketers left that actually operate like this? Or can there?
The first thing they teach you in marketing school (it's different to business school because it's more glamourous) is that you have to align your marketing plans with the goals of the business. So many marketers forget or have this developed out of them!
In defence of Marketers Jeanne ...
In this statement
" It’s time for CEOs, marketing and sales professionals, and other business executives to work together to create a new definition of marketing."
which you quote, there are at least 4 types of people that need to work together and on many occassions 3 of them think that everything should happen even when they put no time or effort into it and the 4th - the marketer - should do everything for free to make it happen !! Respect and commitment is a 2 way street !!
oh - and Monique didn't say " Marketing needs to think beyond ... etc etc - she said ORGANISATIONS need to think .... etc etc ;-)
Thank Chris Windley - you are right that it is difficult to get four different types of professionals to agree. It's hard to get any four people to agree. Perhaps my defining our own definition of a Marketer, we can help to influence others.
Hi Rene -
I think that the targets are constantly moving for marketers. They are pulled in so many directions, and also suffer from "glittery object" syndrome. Yes, I believe that Marketers that still act like this...I see it frequently - as in, we aren't responsible for helping revenue, or getting leads to sales...we're marketing...so let's work on the website or a data sheet, instead. Business objectives should be in mind, not arts & crafts...
A lot of CEO's and CFO's need educating Jeanne - perhaps a role that you and HubSpot can play a part in - on a number of things ..... that organisations need to think beyond marketing as a department - that there is a seismic shift in the way that people are buying - that this has a HUGE impact on sales and marketing etc etc etc
There needs to be differenciation between Marketing & Sales. Marketing inspires and motivates the company's offerings and motivates prospects and is overhead. Sales pays the bills.
Having said that, I have always preached that it is as important to sell inside as out.
JM
I agree with Chris Wendley and say that a MARKETER IS SYNONYMOUS WITH ORGANISATION AND MUST BE CONSIDERED AND RESPECTED AS SUCH.
JM - I think you will find that most accounts treat both sales and marketing as overheads - here's but one
http://www.entrepreneur.com/encyclopedia/term/82038.html
Sales could be considered overhead if there are salaries, benifits, etc. Most high-end sales people are comission only, many now days are Independent Contractors, by choice. Significant tax benifits are the motivation for this arrangement.
Interesting debate that most of us appear to be on the same page of. It's also opening up two interesting side debates. 1/ Sales as revenue, marketing as a cost. Discuss and 2/ Is a sales and marketing management role unachievable - surely focus has to be on one or the other?
Sales and Marketing costs are part of the CAC ( Cost to acquire a Customer ) see this from David Skok ( investor in HubSpot ) http://www.forentrepreneurs.com/business-models/
Generating sales and revenue from sales is not confined to sales( people ) ( more and more marketing can generate sales and revenue without salespeople - the so called "Touchless sale".
Sales and Marketing ( in the new world ) are inextricably linked.
Are you serious...three reasons is all you could think off. It's pretty simple, Marketers get no respect because they're on a mission to put their message in front of their target audience by any means necessary.
Reason is mostly fit in every company because of competition and not understanding the circumstances of others.
I think every company focus on this real problem.
Marketing people can rarely sell, Sales people rarely have any marketing skills....these are two distinct breeds of cat!
I do the SEO for a healthcare company, and I have these exact problems. The good news is that they are trying to improve their marketing. I have lots of knowledge, good ideas and excitement and I really want to help them reach their goals. The bad news- lack of understanding of my role, lack of coordination between the various types of marketing, because I am not being told about all the company goals, even if I ask.
In addition, nepotism and the boys' bonding club is another thing I have to deal with. To make things worse, I am expected to train the web designer about what I do instead of doing my work, and I have to
convince him that what I do is worthwhile (since he is design-oriented), so that we can design from a marketing and SEO perspective, all alone and without back-up from my boss (they are really chummy). This means projects are taking longer than they should, deadlines are unrealistic (the graphic/web designer calls the shots of when he is done and he is taking his time), and I can't really show what I can do, nor can I do anything about it- since I have to keep my mouth shut (I have already been assigned the labels you mentioned in the article).
So, instead of marketing like crazy and getting the results- which is extremely fun for me and good for the company- I have to deal with things such as the ones mentioned, plus I have to do other things that I should not be doing and I get no support. So, yes, I get no respect. I did try to do the team work thing, but it seems to me that educating people about everything is a really a time-consuming task, and it needs to be a two-way street.
I think that companies need to educate themselves better on the roles of marketers and give them more support, instead of just expecting them to be "friendly" with everyone and being submissive and quiet, so that they would fit in. All these cookie-cutter ideas of how people should be all be the same are old and outdated. Part of being a marketer means being bold, free, more independent,creative, outspoken, taking chances, thinking outside of the box, being daring, competitive, a little rebellious and result-oriented. This is what I want my boss to support, because that is what gets him the results.
Di,
1. Plot your exit.
2. Screw them while you do it.
3. Be happy.
;-)
Di, Your post really touched a raw nerve with me ( as you can probably tell ) and inspired a blog post at
http://mandarainmaker.co.uk/wordpress/ !!!
With this title on my email I thought the article is about online reputation for marketers. This does also applies for self employed online marketers too. Lack of communication, over promoting and being a jerk will lead you into getting no respect from your peers.