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Marketing Counterpoint: Why PR Does Help Sales

 

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marketing strategyThis blog post is written in reaction to an earlier post “Why PR Doesn’t Drive Sales.” As a transparent company, HubSpot welcomes the views of all of its employees. Some views are widely shared but when there is significant disagreement, a healthy debate is encouraged.

Both new HubSpot employee Christine Huynh, the author of Friday's post “Why PR Doesn’t Drive Sales”, and I have public relations experience, so our views come from years in the trenches (thus the phrase “PR is not pretty’).  However, my view comes from a more "mature" perspective as I am probably 20 years older than Christine, and have been involved with PR my entire sales and marketing career.  While I understand Christine's viewpoint, what I am disagreeing with is the blog post headline "Why PR Doesn't Drive Sales" because I believe PR does, in fact, drive a lot of sales, revenue, brand-building, influence, and visibility.

If PR did not drive sales, modern public relations would not be a part of a company’s communications and marketing efforts.  As an accredited member of the Public Relations Society of America and a bonafide believer in the power of PR, I was dismayed by the negative tone of Christine's post. 

In the world of PR, there are a number of different branches – such as Investor Relations PR for publicly-traded companies, and the press office for government agencies and politicos, and community relations etc. For the purpose of this blog post, when I say PR, I am talking about corporate public relations - both B2B and B2C. With this said, let me address Christine’s main issues highlighted in her recent post.

1. There’s no science behind PR success data.

As Christine stated, PR campaigns are often measured by quantity of media coverage. But there are many other measurements now that are a part of PR. Let’s take search for one. A press release has as much value in terms of SEO as it does in terms of clippings. You can measure the links that a press release delivers to your website. Also, any story that appears on the Internet usually comes complete with links to the company, and all of this can be measured.

Six years ago, while running corporate marketing programs at Symmetricom, my 17-person virtual marketing team was trained by Greg Jarboe of SEO-PR, to learn how to create links in press releases and how to create a SEO-optimized landing page associated with each release.  These landing pages all had CTAs and forms for lead capture.  PR was the backbone of our lead gen program.  And, PR's viability was the primary reason my "closed loop marketing" sales team was able to hit their numbers quarter after quarter.  

As a reminder, PR campaigns are often more than just sending out a release and contacting the media. They can be incredibly complex, involving special events, intricate mailings, interactions with microsites and landing pages and so on. Some might call this marketing, but I know many PR professionals who would say that it’s PR. When presenting these campaigns, and they are not cheap, you can bet that there has to be degree of ROI justification.  

2. Sales reps don’t care about Public Relations.

In my experience they not only care about it, they love it. They love going into a store or customer with their product featured in a major magazine. They know that this – a third party endorsement - will nurture that lead better than almost anything else. Furthermore, when a well placed article appears, I’ve actually seen inside sales people swamped with sales calls.

What they don’t like is being surprised.

Where PR makes a mistake is in not advising the sales force that an article is imminent or that a press event is happening. Sales people like to participate in success, and if they feel they know something before the general public does, they generally get behind it more.  Also when there is negative press, salespeople often look to PR professionals for guidance and hope that they can craft and guide the messaging to counter the negativity. 

At HubSpot, we share "HubSpot Love" during our weekly Smarketing meetings so that the sales team can see what is being said about the company.   In addition, we distribute valuable insights to the entire team, thanks to our PR Manager Pam Seiple and Product Evangelism Director, Kirsten Knipp, every time something pops up in the press. 

Integrating Public Relations with Marketing

I completely agree that there absolutely has to be an integration between PR and Marketing. In my experience there usually is.  And, none more so than at HubSpot.  Some PR agencies were slow to pick up on integrating PR with social media, but what I’m seeing is that there is actually a battle for ownership of social media – between PR and marketing agencies. I don’t know too many PR agencies that don’t profess social media marketing expertise. They know it’s critical for their survival.  In reality, social media marketing IS Public Relations. 

While I was CMO of MarketingSherpa (and MarketingExperiments & InTouch), we spent a lot of time with the PRSA in showing them data about social media and training their membership on the value of incorporate SEO and Social Media into their efforts. 

1. Focus on Content. I agree with this wholeheartedly. But PR professionals have known this from the beginning of their profession. Their job is and always has been to create and influence content, whether it be corporate or third party. If anyone is late to the game on this, it’s marketers.

2. Think Strategy. Ask any PR agency if they think strategically and they will all say “Yes!” They make lots of money thinking strategically. That’s usually when you get the President, Vice President, Account Director, and Senior Account Executive of the agency with you in the same meeting – all billing their hourly rates concurrently. PR should be strategic, for sure, but when hiring an agency, look at their results.  You want people who have the contacts that will open doors and get those interviews. You want those people who know how to get product placements. If you need their input for strategy, my advice is include one of them in your annual strategic marketing meetings, incorporate PR into your marketing plan, and then discuss with your PR agency how they are going to help you meet your goals.

3. Leads, Not Impressions. Public Relations, when done well, has a cumulative effect. Stories lead to other stories and buzz. You can market your PR successes on your website and your other marketing efforts. If one celebrity is seen with your product, fans will follow. There is no harm in trying to direct a PR campaign to a lead capture form, but the power of PR is when it catches and creates a broad impact. It used to be called “free” publicity, and those impressions can often have an enormous effect on sales and leads. In fact, with a successful review you can bypass the need for downloading an ebook and go direct to the sale because the review did the work for you.

With the influence of the web and social media growing exponentially every day, the need for quality PR is greater than ever. Done well and in conjunction with marketing, it can influence the social conversations, guide companies as they become more transparent,  and help increase a company’s positive exposure, and all of that will undoubtedly help grow that company’s sales.

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Posted by Jeanne Hopkins on Tue, Dec 14, 2010 @ 12:00 PM

COMMENTS

Great article, Jeanne. Problem is many PR agencies get branded into a corner; we just do PR. Of course, generating Thought Leadership is the path to success and ultimately leads. And everything in life is SALES, whether you're pitching a story or pitching a client.

posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 12:16 PM by melissa lande


Thanks Jeanne - would have loved to have seen the prior other come out and defend her article rather than you guys have to bail her out. I do agree with many of your point though.

posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 12:24 PM by Ryan Malone


I actually agree with many of your points. PR is much more complex and there are many different roads that bring you from point A (PR activity) to B (sales). However, it's not linear and that was my main point.  
 
Clearly, my headline ruffled a few feathers and overshadowed my point. My intention was not enrage PR professionals or dismiss the practice but rather, get people thinking about how to better integrate PR into marketing for sales.  

posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 12:31 PM by Christine Huynh


Love the fact that you guys can have a civil debate about a topic while working for the same company and share it with the public! 
 
This is a prime example of engagement 2.0. Expressly different view points both with valid arguments.  
 
In the end I am with Jeanne in terms of the measure-ability of PR. Their are to many ways if you ask me.  
 
Great debate though!

posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 1:27 PM by James Chai


Generational gap is what we are seeing here. PR is still effective and social media is not the silver bullet for marketing as intially hyped. I will take a mix of the two.

posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 2:49 PM by bola ajumobi


Reassuring to hear a grown-up

posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 3:42 PM by Stan DeVaughn


When it comes down to it Blogging/SEO/PPC is pretty much a digital version of PR... we write blog articles (media releases) and then try to spread it far and wide via magazines/newspapers (websites)... same concept, different platform. So to say PR doesn't work is a bit like saying blogging doesn't work. The reason PR gets such a bad rap is you can't measure it as effectively as a website. PR is a true test of ones content as if it's not top notch stuff it will not get published.

posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 3:56 PM by Ralph Vugts


Nice counterpost Jeanne. Greg is definitely a sharp guy and his niche in SEO-PR is something every PR pro can learn from.

posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 5:11 PM by Frank Strong


Excellent article here from Wendy Marx: http://www.fastcompany.com/1709337/how-b2b-pr-drives-sales

posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 7:00 AM by Jeanne Hopkins


I agree with the above article, especially regarding the Sales Force and PR. 
 
 
 
It has been my experience that Sales loves PR, but they need to know about it before the Customer does. Otherwise they look unprofessional and dumb. 
 
 
 
Sales can talk about the PR with their Customers and bring a copy of the release to them. This helps Sales to promote the business and build the company's expertise message.

posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 8:23 AM by Steven Pofcher


Great article Jeanne! I like the way you explain the PR activities and the achieved results. It's all about ROI after all, isn't it?

posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 10:29 AM by Georgi


I am new to marketing, so to me I see a lot of overlap between PR and marketing. The lines are not exactly clear for me yet. Regardless, I have to agree with you that PR DOES DRIVE SALES. You make good points about the magazine photo, but bottom line is that it is harder to sell an item that no one has ever heard of. Whether they are seeing it in product placements or a glossy color ad in their favorite magazine, the customer needs to have a favorable introduction that is the conversation piece over which the sales person can introduce the product. Well written!

posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM by Jared Clemence


PR is a proven tool for building brands. And a strong brand reputation (both in credibility and name recognition) makes the sales department's job much easier. PR pulls its weight when it establishes and maintains a company's thought leadership within its market niche, which is something smart salespeople leverage to open doors and close more sales.

posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 at 1:59 PM by Steven Van Yoder


Good post. When we pull the camera back and look at the widescreen picture, PR is about building relationships between an organization and its "publics." One of the tools we use to build that relationship is publicity, strategic publicity. Strategic publicity can have different goals, like brand awareness or sales. You have to have a clear media relations (that includes social) strategy and clear desired outcomes--if you want sales, you create a strategy that will deliver sales. Yes, Virginia, PR can drive sales. 
 
Thanks for the post; love the insight that "when hiring an agency, look at their results. You want people who have the contacts that will open doors and get those interviews." 
 
http://www.orgprllc.com 
 

posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 8:25 AM by Jean Creech Avent


Excellent follow-up to the previous post on this subject. What this post clearly demonstrates that is PR is far more than merely a one-off exercise to generate buzz or media attention around a product or service. It's a strategic service that helps companies grow and succeed.  
 
While PR absolutely can help drive sales, it's not quite as clear cut as we would presumably like it to be. Successful PR typically will not lead to a direct one-off or continual sale, but it will generate goodwill, brand recognition, and subsequently, build brand value for a product or service. And that clearly drives sales.  
 
When done right and strategic, public relations is but one of many components that help drive sales, enhance a brand's value and help companies connect with, engage and generated feedback from their key audiences. And that certainly has quite a lot of value to modern companies utilizing modern, SEO-based tools to measure success.  
 
Keith Trivitt 
Associate Director of Public Relations 
Public Relations Society of America

posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 at 5:34 PM by Keith Trivit


I'm the owner of a boutique PR firm in NYC that specializes in helping younger companies (often Venture Cap-backed startups) as well as companies from overseas that aren't known here. There have been many occasions when we have worked with clients with limited budgets who have decided to put most of their marketing communications budget into PR. It has always lead to sales! How could it not? People won't buy a product they don't know about, and even when they hear about the product, if they don't know anything about the company behind it, there's further reluctance. PR not only drives product and brand awareness, but also builds and manages corporate reputations.

posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 at 4:56 PM by Lucy Siegel


Well I couldn't agree more, i have always been a sales and marketing person and PR is always a corner stone for my startegy, in fact i might rely on it more than anyone expects from a marketing manager because to me its much more benefitial and strategic than some ATL tools that are to me, getting overused and dull.

posted on Saturday, December 18, 2010 at 4:55 AM by Tamer Osman


Excellent article and well timed as we begin a new year (although I'm a believer in 'change' and 'fresh starts' at anytime! 
 
 
 
With a background in media advertising sales, and PR in my DNA, I have combined the two and I am now a Public Relations & Fundraising Consultant. PR drives Sales: When my non-profit client was on a national TV program, donations poured in. In other cases of media publicity Sales sky rocketed: College endowments, restaurant phone ringing like crazy! Daycare enrolled new students...) 
 
 
 
Actually, all professionals are salespeople and should always deliver value and high ROI. Everything we do and say is PR.  
 
 
 
PR and Sales- Happily ever after!

posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 at 3:37 PM by Sonia Wilson


Agree w/many of you who cited PR as an all-encompassing umbrella under which everything you do and say resides.  
 
 
 
This means PR has many sub-sets, including social media, and all other channels that develop the pipeline - SEM, SEO, telemarketing, mailing, etc. All of these things combined shape the public perception that will either grease the skids for sales, or run them into the rocks. 
 
 
 
Because there are now more ways than ever to shape opinion, PR is/should be a bigger concern for all organizations. 
 
 
 
Best wishes, 
 
Kathy Tito

posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2011 at 9:23 AM by Kathy Tito


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