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good morning everyone it is tuesday october fourteen i'm juliet bennett r here with john wig miguel and this is the hustle daily show so rite aid filed for bankruptcy just seven months after exiting chapter eleven proving that even having the world's most perfect ice cream that would be thrifty cannot save you from opioid settlements in corporate chaos now monster energy's owners have bought the beloved ice cream brand for nineteen point two million dollars because apparently the people who brought you caf chaos want to conquer frozen desserts too we'll get to that and the biggest business tech use right after this using only twenty percent of your business data is like dating someone who only texts emojis first of all that's kind of annoying and second you're missing a lot of context but that's how most businesses operate today using only twenty percent of their data unless you have hubspot where all the emails call logs and chat messages turn into insights to grow your business because all that data makes all the difference learn more at hubspot dot com build a bear workshop isn't toy around the company which is nearly thirty years old is doing shockingly well in second quarter revenue balloon eleven percent to one hundred twenty four point two million and its stocks surged seventy six percent over the last year over the last five years the company's share price has exploded nearly two thousand percent that dwarf even giants like pal year or video so who dag is building all these bears in a large part adults grown ups and teens now account for forty percent of build bear business if you think your boss is a micro manager be happy they're not scanning your retina jpmorgan chase is requiring most staff to share biometric data in order to access its new york city headquarters in place of ids employees will need to scan their fingerprints or eyeballs to enter the three billion dollar building turns out people aren't tired of ai after all well at least some people so open ai short form video app reached one million downloads less than five days after its launch that's even faster than chat gp the invite only ios app took the number one spot in apple's app store and the number one spot on hollywood's hit list for alleged copyright infringement a royal rebuke from prince harry and meghan the duke and duchess of sussex they spoke against social media and its impact on children at the project healthy minds gala last week during which they were honored for creating the parents network an organization that supports families harmed by social media prince harry who described social media companies as among the world's wealthiest most powerful corporations criticized them for the data collection methods and potentially harmful ai chatbot the event was followed by a mental health event where panel spoke about the impact of today's technology on kids finally boulder colorado guaranteed basic income experiment has provided five hundred dollars per month to two hundred low income residents since january twenty twenty four sarah bayless managing director at the omni center for social investment a consultancy that worked with the city to evaluate the program told business insider that while the money has helped ease immediate pressures and reduce stress long term challenges so stuff like child care healthcare care building savings and assets saw a little change twenty months later these barriers bayless said may only be responsive to larger investments and systemic solutions programs such as these universal basic come guarantee basic income they've actually generated a lot more interest lately in light of the surge of ai adoption as a potential solution to the job losses that that may cause hey it's anna sale host of death sex and money the show from slate about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more many of have something going on behind closed doors like a listener we called elizabeth who told us she's a hoard i see mess beyond probably what most people think of when they think of mess we'll work through it all together on death sex and money listen wherever you get podcasts okay so today we're talking about a pretty fun topic we're talking ice cream and rite aid ice cream brand that no longer isn't rite aid because nothing isn't in rite aid so julia can you tell me a little bit about thrifty the ice cream brand and if you've tried it because i never have you know i've been trying to think about if i've tried thrifty and i'm sure that i did as a child but since i've been an adult i don't think so and now that i'm thinking about it maybe i never did because i didn't grow up on the west coast so maybe my right didn't have thrifty oh maybe but thrifty is pretty ubiquitous on the west coast i've seen it a million times the right aid i used to go to had even an ice cream counter where they'd before you not just the ice cream in the shelves wow they had like a basket robin setup in there that's pretty impressive yeah just can't eat a lot of sugar unfortunately so i have not had much experience with ice cream in general in the last decade mh mh i've never tried thrifty before i've never seen it i've had a ride it in my town since i grew up never even saw it there so this is a completely new concept to me but i'm happy people like this ice cream so much and it's sticking around it looks like yeah people talk about it too oh like when i'm at rite at people i was like yeah thrifty ice cream they always tell me what their favorite flavor so i think it is if you grew up on the west coast and if your family was a rite aid family i think it was something that that people really looked forward to mh and that was kind of the genesis of the brand it it began its life in a pharmacy so thrifty was founded by two brothers harry and robert bo who founded thrifty cut rate drugstore stores with their brother in law norman levin in los angeles in nineteen twenty nine and this was you know a drugstore store was not an ice cream store but they used ice cream scoops as a loss later they sold them for a nickel because they wanted people to come in mh so you know that went on for a while they were buying ice cream from other suppliers demand led them to buy an existing ice cream factory in nineteen forty and then in the nineteen seventies is actually relocated to a larger factory in monte california and that is where i guess they still make ice cream there today wow where rite aid comes in is it's kind of what's happening to rite aid now thrifty went bankrupt in nineteen eighty six so rite aid acquired it and the ice cream brand for one point three billion dollars wow one point three billion dollars in nineteen ninety six is a pretty hefty acquisition by rite aid there have that's some pretty big bucks right there that's huge yeah and i think if you think about the nineties at least if i think about the nineties rite aid it was right up there with all the other pharmacies for sure i feel like i went to rite aid more mh than any other pharmacy or my mom yeah it was really big early two thousands it was right up there with cvs so it was right up there with walgreens duane reed if you're a new yorker but yeah i mean it seems that rite aid though right now is in the pits after filing bankruptcy they're not doing too hot but thrifty seems to be on the move so what happened to rite aid what situation are they in and where's thrifty going from here rite aid just got hammered by a lot of stuff cvs and walgreens are way more popular and than rite aid people are not going to write aid as much rite aid got really hammered by the opioid settlements you know so rite aid it's on its way out the rite aid near me i will say has had nearly just barren in shelves for months now so seeing the big liquidation signs outside of it is no surprise i don't know yeah no good to whom they sold but right now rite aid is essentially offload their assets largely to their competitors so cvs walgreens k albert sends etcetera right aid actually sold thrifty just the ice cream brand to hill rod holdings now that is owned by monster ceo hilton laws and former monster c rodney sachs hen hill rod and they purchased the ice cream brand for nineteen point two million dollars they put out a press release it so they want to revitalize the brand without altering core of what made it unforgettable and that's a couple of things one it's signature flavors a lot of them are pretty normal like rocky road pistachio nut mint chip you know u there's not a whole lot of wild flavors i was actually reading the three flavors that it started with when it started making its own ice cream and they were rocky road grape pineapple and fruit cake wow of which i think only rocky road has remained which is probably a good call it's a good sign yeah yeah good decisions were made yeah the other interesting thing about thrifty is that the ice cream scoop it isn't rounded like you would think of with your traditional ice cream cone a cylinder and that's because they have a barrel shaped scoop the whole point of it is to yielding a more uniform scoop and also apparently it's easier for workers to scoop you're not putting as much pressure on your wrist it sort of reminded me like those fancy wine keys like the difference between a traditional wine key one of those fancy ones that just tops the cork out yeah so they're gonna keep the scoop they're gonna keep a lot of the flavors they're gonna come up with some new flavors i don't know if that includes monster energy flavor we'll see and then they're gonna expand geographically which makes sense thrifty is a very deep west coast brand very familiar with it kids on the west coast people grow up with that on the west coast they're gonna expand into new regions do i think that this will work maybe and here's why i often find that when people talk about going out to ice cream they are pissed off at the salt and straws and the jenny of our world oh yeah u because they're like i'm not paying ten dollars for ice cream or eight dollars ice cream whatever it is and also the flavors get increasingly bizarre yes which for some people is fun some people like a thanksgiving buffet self straw ice cream the dracula blood ice cream yeah you whatever blueberry beef jerky combo ice cream that somehow it tastes kinda good even though you thought it wouldn't that kind of ice cream yeah fried chicken ice cream some people like that i think that's a novelty but i think sometimes people are just like can't i just get like vanilla chocolate the classic the cookies in cream perhaps yeah yeah you know you know you like it it's good it's not weird i think that is more if you're gonna get a carton of ice cream you want kind of like the flavor you know you like and not something super weird and also thrifty is very affordable if it stays that way i think at a time consumers are pulling back on spending but they still like having a sweet treat they might be like yeah i i want some ship ice cream for you know an affordable price and not this ten dollar miso caramel chicken bull yeah whatever i mean that sounds kinda good honestly but i you know what i mean yeah i mean it could definitely compete i mean there's a lot of room for growth in the ice cream industry like you wrote that the ice cream industry is about worth seven billion dollars which is yeah a lot of money so i mean i it can definitely shoe horn itself in there somewhere i'm sure it could accompany itself near the briar of the turkey hill of the world but for sure when it expands more to the east coast and stuff i'm sure it'll gain more of a share and especially for its simplicity as we pointed out like there's a lot of different ice cream brands that are a little expensive and little over complicated so i think it kinda makes sense to take that angle of something a little simpler a little more regular but flavors that we all like and that are proven yeah and you know i think part of the reason i'm thinking about this is i literally just ate miso blond with basil peach jam no that's all and straw that's why they miso so jeez okay yeah you know what it was good for two bites and then i was like too much she too much oh this is incredible that's too much that's the thing you gotta do at salt and straw place like that you just go up and just try five flavors and then pick none of them that is that's the thing to do yeah i wish i could go to salt straw or jenny or one of these places be like i don't wanna buy anything but i would like to pay you to allow me to sample your five seasonal flavors and not ordering like i will pay for that maybe there's a business in that too offering like five bucks have the price of an ice cream just to like sample five different ice cream a little like flight situation that that could actually there could be some legs to that too exactly scoop is too much but would i sample every one of these crazy weird flavors yes absolutely i'm curious yeah and i guess jury is out on if they're gonna make a a monster flavored ice cream since these are the cofounder of moss energy so i'm sure we'll see some hefty green ice cream on shelves pretty soon i can say that working because i have friends who have told me about a baja blast gelato that taco bell makes and they really like it so you know there's a market there's always a market for these sort of things yeah agreed alright that's gonna do it for us today thank you for tuning into the hustle daily show we're a proud part of the hubspot podcast network our editor today is robert hart and our executive producer is darren park we've got a lot more tech and business coverage in our newsletter so if you're not subscribed go get yourself signed up at the dot com slash email hey everybody listening to show lately it's called the next wave your chief ai officer hosted by matt wolf and nathan lands and it's brought to you by the host hubspot podcast network the 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good morning it is friday october ten i'm juliet bennett r here with maria har and this is the hustle daily show today we're talking about ai possible use in an alleged crime we'll also discuss amd big deal with open and when nvidia has to say about it and how the internet made a mess of sword two's launch we'll also discuss google's expansion of opal its app building tool and more in today's ai update we'll also get to the biggest headlines in biz tech right after this being a note all used to be considered a bad thing but in business it's everything because right now most businesses only used twenty percent of their data unless you have hubspot where data that's buried in emails call logs and meeting notes become insights that help you grow your business because when you know more you grow more see being a note at all isn't so bad after all visit hubspot dot com today to learn more if you haven't seen a food delivery bot yet there may be one on its way to a neighborhood near you door is partnering with serve robotics to roll customer orders down los angeles sidewalks and soon streets across the us the deal follows door debut of its own autonomous delivery bot dot last week the company is also teaming up with bot coco and drone start up wing to get you that pad by any means necessary if you love the spider man pointing at spider man meme this one's for you australian catholic university accused about six thousand students of academic misconduct about ninety percent of those incidents alleged that ai was used to cheat however it turned out that the university had used turnitin a pla detection software that added an ai detector in twenty twenty three to come to these conclusions some of which were wrong so great as dismissed about twenty five percent of referrals in any case return against ai tool was the only evidence of such misconduct but it was a big hassle for students if you read the full article lots of delays lots of frustration sounds about right next up google shopping google shopping added a new ai powered try on tool that lets users take virtual shoes for a spin before buying and no you don't have to turn over picture of your feet the feature will work with a fully clad full length pick interesting i'm not sure how that accounts for comfort but it seems cool the rubik's wow cube is a two by two version of the iconic puzzle that has twenty four lcd displays in place of its colored squares so instead of matching a blue and red gamers will be tasked with completing mobile games via the cube and paying about three hundred dollars for the gadget that is an expensive rubik's cube but you know it does sound cool also cool university of maryland researchers created a vaccine that in a phase one clinical trial was found to be safe and appeared to create an immunity response to salmonella a common cause of food poisoning that sick over one million americans annually hey it's anna sale host of death sex and money the show from slate about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more many of us have something going on behind closed doors like a listener we called elizabeth who told us she's a hoard i see mess beyond probably what most people think of when they think of mess we'll work through it all together on death sex and money listen wherever you get podcasts and for more stuff like that subscribe to the show and we'll have more for you tomorrow alright once again today we are here with maria from the mind newsletter to discuss the latest ai news hey maria welcome back to the show thanks for coming hi thanks for having me alright so like every week i'm gonna start with the same question what is the most interesting thing in ai that you have come across in the last week well i actually recovered this like two days ago the story is actually wild in my opinion it feels like it came out of a thriller okay there's a twenty nine year old guy in california that was just arrested for allegedly people wouldn't know that i'm doing quotations but allegedly starting that huge specific pal fire i don't know what pretty they know about this kid was here it was on like the news everywhere in the world mh but it gets creepy at this point because investigators found he's generated in an ai image all of a burning city before the fire actually happened mh now obviously charge you but he didn't start the fire but it's twelve to see ai showing up and like criminal remote investigations like this it's not just deep fix or scams anymore it's like literally becoming out absolute evidence that prosecutors use so the whole thing kind of blur the line between imagination and intent mh or was he just messing around creatively or was that image a sign of what he was going to do or like what he's about to do it's very very extremely unsettling the bottom line is that ai is not the villain here mh the person that is using ai with malicious intent is it's another reminder that these kinds of tools record everything and digital for prints are like way louder than we might think as people yeah i just actually read a story about a teenager who was arrested because he asked chad gp how to murder his friend and of course that chat log was there yeah i know i've seen or heard in true crime podcast or shows that someone of true crime yeah part of the evidence is like you know they google how do i get rid of a body or how much rs do i need to put in a or how much rat poison like they ask google these questions indicating their intent to commit a crime yeah and then of course you know once a warrant has secured investigators have access to their search histories it's it's absolutely why i think people forget that everything stays on the internet yeah i'll be really interested to see how this case shakes out from two perspectives in terms of you know what does an ai company have to turn over if someone is investigating and also as someone who lived through that fire i am i'm not near the pal but i'm in pasadena which is right by ul dino which was affected by the eaton fire yeah i mean was essentially this perfect storm it was like we knew the wind conditions were going to be very bad so anyone who attempted to start a fire had a really good chance yeah of starting a large fire they knew that it's going to basically just spread horrendous so yeah so a very vested interest in this i had friends who are affected i friends whose parents burnt home in the palace states it's fire so no it's definitely something that we've been talking about here in los angeles for the last few days yeah so sorry to hear that on so i hope everyone's doing you know what the communities did really come together i feel like every single day i see some sort of like support group for victims of a fire over here so things are good but i think people are gonna really gonna be watching this case oh yeah i'm pretty sure they are yeah a hundred percent so the next question i wanted to ask you is not as interesting as true crime but sort of a a business deal here so earlier this week chip maker amd its stock has been soaring since open eyes announcement earlier that it would buy billions worth of ai equipment from the company part of this agreement apparently involves a potential ten percent of amd yeah now nvidia which you know you commonly think of as being one of open partners ceo jensen huang had something to say about it called the deal imaginative and unique and surprising on an episode of cnbc sq box in particular saying he was surprised that they would give away ten percent of the company before they even built it i'm curious what you make of this deal do you think it's unique and surprising or or what's the dirt here yeah just to sum up like for people don't know about this a and open ai it was like a deal that shook the ai hardware seen this week people all over the world everywhere like people have been talking a lot about it because everyone has some sort of investment in these kinds of stuff so open ai announced that buying billions worth of ai chips from amd it might even take up to ten percent stake in the company which is insanely it's wild because up until now open is basically married to nvidia investors obviously lost it amd stock jumped over forty percent this week and we're talking it hit three hundred and eighty billion market cap which is wild yeah so for the record that's their best run since two thousand and sixteen mh amd lisa su called it a win win obviously saying their trips already for like a massive ai workload understandable that's anyone would say that if they handle something as big as that but then as you said nvidia ceo jensen and huang popped on cnbc and said like wait you know they gave away ten percent before even building it so that's was a very salty energy in my opinion yes honestly it's a a huge smart move for both of them open the eyes the diversifying because that's how you ensure longevity of something of a huge company is and amd is finally stepping out of nvidia shadow and the chip war is extremely spicy with the mind we've been like handling the chip war since the start obviously about nvidia and amd and everyone else but now it's like at a point where i think it's gonna be an actual war obviously not arms and everything but they're they're had to head right now well if anyone's feeling bad for nav nvidia i just looked up their market cap and it's still four point seven trillion today fine still doing great so the next question i i have to ask you it's again having to do with people up being naughty with ai and whatever capacity but so two came out that's open latest image generator i kind of a rocky launch mostly because internet got internet people who are generating images of all sorts of things copyrighted characters people who have passed away yeah other m as i like to call it and that led open ai to increase guard rails but that led to people being mad and creating even more is s if you wanna call it slap it seems to me like opening as kind of much like any tech company caught between the brain want its users want to make and the rights holders who do not want them to make it i know a lot of tech companies is when you give your tech to users just like facebook has issues moderating really gotta a deal with what people are doing with your tech what do you think is gonna happen here with open ai and the tech they rolled out to users i mean so too was weirdly good i'm saying this as a person that uses ai every single day that covers about ai every a single day opening ai new image and video generator soar or two people don't know how a pretty rough launch if i may say people started obviously using it as you said to make everything from fake celebrity clips to copyrighted characters and even some really uncomfortable stuff with i understand people kind of getting uncomfortable about this open i responded by tightening its guard rails and that just annoyed the crave crowd who felt the tool suddenly got way too censored way too fast but it's a tricky balance in my opinion like users want the freedom and rights holders want the control and opening i stuck in the middle trying to please both ends and in a way that you're trying to please both ends in my opinion you need rules i put on these rules and like tell them that these are the rules and you all of you have to abide by them so it's not about like good or bad it's about how fast the stack is evolving and i think moments like this remind us as exciting as ai gets because it gets exciting if you wanna try out so it's pretty good like it's giving you like h hd things like four k things and it it's giving you wild things but it's not about the creativity or the story behind the creativity so like the responsibility so it's a person using it the conversation is shifting for what can it make to what should it make and i feel like this is where it needs to be because even though they are trying to hold both crowds you need rules this is what we've always been advocating as people that write and as people that write about ai everyone needs rules let's just put these rules down and like let people are buy by them mh the last question i have for you today is about google's opal which i am unfamiliar with because i do not make apps but this is apparently an app building tool and they are expanding it to fifteen additional countries i'm wondering if you could tell us for people like me who don't make apps what this is and how people are using it so yeah there are people like you and me actually i've never written a line of code in my entire existence i wouldn't want to even when i see a coding i kind of cry on the inside it's the good of an excel sheet in my opinion i can't see a code ever i tried coding for a while and i was like i don't like numbers i like words give me words i'm okay with words so google's expanding access to op which is their ai app builder and they're expanding into fifteen or more countries like places like india japan brazil and singapore op basically lets you build simple web apps just by describing what you want and like plain english and you type something like make me a budget tracker that it makes me reminders and it builds just that you know it gives you layout it gives you logic it gives you everything that you want from that app if you give it you know the correct instructions mh then you can open an editor and tweak like the floor or the prompts what's so good about this that you don't need to coat you know like you don't need to do anything about it the interesting part is that google didn't expect people to get thus far with it obviously people have malicious intent but people are very smart we're surrounded by very smart people and very creative they thought users would make fun little tools and you know some small stuff that they can use every single day but it turns out creators are like building surprisingly sophisticated stuff so we're talking productivity dashboard it's creative generators mainly workflows for your teams etcetera so this roll out is google saying okay clearly this is a huge potential mh and they've also improved performance now it builds faster it's better at debugging because i think a lot of code whenever they see a bug they also kind of crashed out and cry like me and the ability to run like multiple steps at once which is what a lot of code want to basically op getting closer to a real development environment for people like you and me that have never written a line of code and really want to build an right that's interesting i wonder what the barrier to entry is i wonder how much coding a person would need to know to be able to use this tool and produce something that works yeah i haven't really tried it yet i think need to try it out i haven't really had the time but from what i've heard you don't even need the basics at even you can build something from gp like in case you need like a line of coding but it turns out like you don't need anything to do that alright well that's my biggest curiosity at all the things we've talked about is can op do coding for people and can soar to take away movie making in tv making i hope not because i think our stories would be very boring but these are weird times yeah i think it would be recycled we people people are not gonna be replaced on anytime i'm soon yeah it's strange to see how quickly it's all evolving yeah not said well thank you for joining us today maria and explaining all the things about ai that i did not know and and hopefully our readers also learned something this is great thank you thank you for having me see you next week yeah see you next time so that's gonna do it for today thank you for tuning into the hustle daily show we're a proud part of hubspot media our editor today is robert hart and our executive producer is darren clark put a lot more tech and business coverage in our newsletter so if you're not subscribed go 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hey good morning everyone it's thursday october ninth i'm mark dent here with catherine laid law and this is the hustle daily show today we're talking about malls specifically two of them but in the bigger picture perhaps all of them one of them is the san francisco center an iconic mall in that city that appears to be on its deathbed even as ai money has elected san francisco the others is the mon monroe mall in western pennsylvania which recently got bought out by walmart with plans for demolition is that the future for distressed shopping centers we'll get into that and the biggest headlines in business in tech right after this okay starting off we're gonna talk about jobs because of the government shutdown the bureau of labor statistics data will not be released but alternative data from private sources is showing that the bad vibes are continuing according to the wall street journal bank of america is seen rising unemployment and goldman sachs is seen that it's harder for job seekers to find unemployment than at any time since two thousand fifteen alright that was kind of a shot so let's give you a chaser domino's just launched its first brand in thirteen years with a brighter logo and new employee uniforms pizza boxes and signage to top it off the sixty five year old company even dropped its first ever jingle by the singer shi boo which is pun by him singing dom m and nose a jingle in twenty twenty five does feel a bit retro but the domino's cmo said this move was made with a global growth in mind and to get people's attention because nobody really pays attention to anything anymore catherine what are your thoughts on a domino's jingle yeah i think the return of the jingle is perfectly timed actually we're living through sort of like unprecedented desires for nostalgia jingle sounds like perfect backdrop music to tiktok videos i don't know i i think this is actually really on point and shi is a perfect choice yeah i mean everybody like likes shi if he's very good and very likable definitely i'm like ear worms come on let's go yeah okay moving on soft bank is getting back in the robot game a few years ago soft bank which is a famous japan based investment company struck out with pepper a big eyed emotional robot that never really took off but now it's acquiring ab b's robotics division for five point four billion dollars pending regulatory approval soft bank has had plenty of bad bets in the last decade plus including we work but it was also an early investor in chinese e ecommerce giant alibaba in streaming news has entertainment is partnering with sony picture televisions of the intellectual property corporation and b seventeen entertainment to create a reality competition adaptation of clue for netflix netflix of course has had a reality show version of squid game which involves some death and clue involves murder so it's gonna be quite interesting to see how a adaptation like this is gonna play out i mean hopefully the add up rotation part is that everybody survives in the reality version ideally yeah i think that would be ideal according to hollywood reporter though details remain scarce so we don't know want done yeah and finally bring back studio fifty four because gold is having its best year since the disco era the price for the asset is up fifty four percent this year that really works with studio fifty four i guess then the highest increase since nineteen seventy nine and beating out years with big jumps like two thousand and one which had nine eleven and two thousand and eight which was after the economy went to hell according to cnn investors are favoring gold as the us economy cools and fears increased at the stock market's bull is too dependent on ai and do for a correction hey it's anna sale host of death sex and money the show from slate about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more many of us have something going on behind closed doors like a listener we called elizabeth who told us she's a hoard i see mess beyond probably what most people think of when they think of mess we'll work through it all together on death sex and money listen wherever you get podcasts so for more stuff like that subscribe to the show and we'll have more for you tomorrow as i mentioned in the intro san francisco most famous mall the san francisco center is not doing well the mon monroe mall outside of pittsburgh was also not doing well but it just got bought out by walmart there's really been over the last couple of decades a lot of stories about the struggles of malls and here we're seeing two truly iconic malls kind of facing different circumstances right now catherine what would you say what what's really going on with malls in america these last few years or even last couple of decades yeah well i know you've done some reporting on this as well but to me the general takeaway both as a maybe more avid shopper them is desirable but also as a reader is that it's not that people aren't shopping or aren't spending foot traffic and malls is actually up since twenty nineteen mh but it's affluent customers shopping at high end stores that are doing well which is leaving the sort of mid range and lower range stores and malls that are sort of anchored by those stores with a real financial problem yeah and that's kinda what seemed to happen here to the san francisco mall according to the wall street journal ninety three percent of its one and a half million square feet is vacant but the troubles really started a few years ago when nordstrom left which was one of the major anchors as well as a bloom nails and those are both kind of like higher end type of department stores they took about forty percent of the malls space oh wow and so then once you didn't have those customers going in it kinda creates this you know type of death spiral of where some of those other stores the smaller type of stores have to close as well i mean the wall street journal article that you mentioned had some great and eye opening anecdotes like there are twenty stores open now out of two hundred stores that used to be opened before the reporter was saying that the day that they went like security staff actually outnumbered shoppers and that she spoke to a gentleman who actually spends his lunch break meditating is basically using the food court as a meditation studio because it's so deserted that is truly like the wilder as a detail ever i mean secondary mall usages have like always happened you know like people would meet walk around them before they opened but the fact that someone would go in there to meditate because it is so empty and silent is just next level such a tell i mean it's a little less bleak i guess than some of the other anecdotes which talk of course about like an uptick in shop lifting or people who are un house using them all as a shelter overnight and things like that as what happened with sort of a massive vacant building in the midst of downtown the huge urban center but one thing that also struck me was that there are some real challenges when it comes to repurposing a building like this the ownership is really patchwork macy's which owns bloom dale owns part of the building even the ground below the mall is actually owned by i think one of the school district districts in the city and is leased to the mall and so there's sort of all of these deals that would need to be made to even turn them all into something else like it's a bit of a q yeah it just feels so difficult for something to happen there certainly in the near term but like if we go across the country to western pennsylvania and monroe just outside of pittsburgh i've been in mon monroe before i really like it it's like a a really great old fashioned american suburb the mon monroe mall there is very famous it was part of the film dawn of the dead in the late nineteen sixties for one thing but it also has seen much better days and was recently purchased by walmart which is going to demolish it and create something totally new this is potentially going to be according to the new york times something like a type of town center development so instead of just having like all of your mall stores there would be a walmart as an anchor but then there'd be like residential developments there there'd be walking paths so there would be other types of retail stores and while that does mean the death of a mall it does mean more tax revenue or at least replaced tax revenue for like cities and county yeah i was wondering what do you think about this do you think this is a good idea yeah i think there are some pluses and minuses and i'll start with the minuses which is that i mean i like malls i still shop at them from time to time there's just something that really hurts like when you see like an old community mall like have to be taken down that said it's more exciting than seeing one just being gutted day by day like in san francisco this sounds like an attractive type of development you know you have like the big retailer in walmart you'd have housing housing is necessary everywhere it would feel like its own little small town is what walmart is kind of going for and they've been talking about this according to the new times for several years to the point like where they would even take some of their existing locations and like kinda convert the parking lot into some mixed use type of stuff and this just seems like a easier way for them to do it and just one more negative walmart already owns everything and now they're just gonna own more stuff instead just having revenue from their store it'll be good for them to get revenue from housing and other retail and things like that but it just helps them consolidate even more power which depending on how you feel about that could be a good thing or a bad thing yeah i think that's really what gives me pause like of course i like the idea of more social services being available to people who live in these towns and big box stores with their parking lots aren't exactly pedestrian friendly i love the idea of more housing you know amenities as it were the fact that those are being provided by walmart is it's an adjustment yeah it's an adjustment and i don't know that it's a positive one that said some of the more successful malls that i know of have things like amusement parks or even like skating rink and things like that inside and so it feels a little like maybe a har back to that or an adaptation of something that's worked in the past i don't know yeah for sure and one thing that was also pointed out the new york times story is that mon monroe has fought against having a walmart more or less for the last twenty years and so now walmart is kind of taking like a backdoor entrance into getting into that market with this idea and similarly san francisco has often kind fought back against walmart and so you wonder could this plan work in san francisco at the san francisco center complicated for sure but it seems like it could potentially be a good way for walmart to get into that market as well walmart if you're listening mark would like some royalties on this idea yeah exactly keep that in mind well that's gonna do it for us today thank you for tuning to the fossil daily show we're a proud part of hubspot media our editor today is robert hart and our executive producers there in clark we have a lot more tech business coverage in our newsletter so if you're not described please go get signed up at the hustle dot c slash email and follow us on instagram at the hustle daily and we will see you here's what blows my mind most people are sitting around waiting for their boss to give them a raise while millionaires are building income streams in their spare time entrepreneur and creator marina mcgill c crack the code on this she built more than ten income streams that now pull in over one hundred thousand dollars a month she shared the secret sauce with our 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hey good morning everyone it is wednesday october eighth i'm mark dent with john wag and this is the hustle daily show would you trust ai to pick your outfits kate b sa and ginny chen wood they've launched cello an ai tool that can see what you have in your closet and pick styles for you john will interview them about how it all works so we'll get to that and to the biggest headlines and business tech right after this open ai has a new update and it's making it easier to connect its chatbot to third party apps such as zillow spotify fig and ex ex so this feature is called talking to apps and it lets users ask chat gp for song recommendations pulled directly from spotify or search for specific homes using zillow data so far open ai has amassed eight hundred million plus weekly chat gp users according to ceo sam alt tesla announced tuesday that it is getting less expensive at least for the model three version the e company plans to roll out a model three standard for thirty eight thousand three hundred sixty dollars later this year or early next year it's about fifty five hundred dollars less than the model three premium which had been the cheapest tesla the model so far moving on to california california governor gavin news signed a new state law that banned streaming services from airing commercials at a louder volume than content in which they appear a similar twenty ten law banned at loud ads on broadcast cable and satellite tv that this is before the rise of streaming services a representative from the motion picture association of america previously said that streaming ads unlike broadcast ads come from multiple sources and are harder to control streamers will have until july two thousand twenty six when the law takes effect to figure everything out onto the baking sector fifth third ban corp wants to acquire competitor come america for ten point nine billion dollars if the deal goes through that will create one of the twenty largest us banks with two hundred and eighty eight billion dollars in assets according to federal reserve data and the wall street journal and finally in start news alt store a third party app marketplace in the eu raised a six million dollar series a as it prepares to connect to the federal verse which connects users of mastodon threads and other decentralized platforms to app updates anna sale host of debt sex and money the show from slate about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more many of us have something going on behind closed doors like a listener we called elizabeth who told us she's a hoard i see mess beyond probably what most people think of when they think of mess we'll work through it all together on death sex and money listen wherever you get podcasts okay for more stuff like that subscribe to the show and we'll have more for you tomorrow and now here's john okay kay and jenny welcome to the show how are you doing today thanks we're excited to be here you did win the ai pitch competition at inbound for cello which is really awesome yeah the first thing i wanted to hit on is kind of the problem that led you to found cello where did the problem start for you both so i mean you could probably tell looking at us and we're not fashion people i'm like wearing a hoodie right now so that is not my background but janine and i both have backgrounds in like data tech analytics and then also like making people feel confident and feeling like they belong and i think that something that we've noticed and like our years of doing that work is that in moments of life transition like good and bad one of the first levers that people turn to is their appearance so you know when you get a new job and you feel amazing about it you want like your appearance to reflect that you go on a shopping spree when you go through a horrible breakup you go get like the breakup haircut and like you know wanna like find clothes and make you feel good and so we think that like getting dresses is about much more than just like oh i wanna like find something that fits my taste it's about how you feel about yourself do you feel good do you feel confident like there's a lot of emotional resonance there and we think that like the market's is not really serving that today mh yeah and so if you look at that industry we're not satisfied with how they're shaping the problem it's solving it they're effectively going like how do i align trends and master is suddenly the next item and that's fundamentally not aligned for customer goals values and they ignore this deeper sense of like belonging and building like confidence and you can kinda see in the industry like they look at you know their body types like it's all always like thin models small models and the class fashion so they're always pushing out giants forcing consumers on this like hamster real trying to chase and trying to develop the things so tar exhausting and so what we're thinking we can empower people in an industry that's always reminded of them like what they are not rather let's empower them and build more confidence with our customers yeah and you mentioned kind of a sense of belonging that you wanna bring to users how do you feel like you're able to kind of implement that feeling with c which is a an ai powered platform yeah great question so i think we really fundamentally believe that like we're in this amazing time where ai technology enables us to like democrat things like personal styling that used to be like only affordable to a few people but with that i think that styling is like fundamentally different from a lot of services that have been democrat like if you think about something like you know uber or like lyft or something like that like the ability to kind of democrat like calling out your own private car yeah i think that's actually much like more straightforward problems to solve because there's not like that art and like emotional resonance and like human kind of creativity element that you see in styling so our approach at cello has been to use technology and ai to really capture the context of who you are so what you already own what you like what your lifestyle is what your body looks like but then we pair that with actual like real professional stylist who do the styling who get to know you who make you feel like truly seen so we feel like those pieces like are kind of required to deliver a really good customer experience yeah and you mentioned democrat fashion which i think is really cool or democrat this idea of like personal stylist because you know a lot of us myself included have never had a personal stylist to help us get dressed or like help us say like oh what color looks good on you like i know some my friends even went to korea to figure out like oh what color is like works with like a a color scientist how do you try to bring that relationship from cello with your personal assistant on there and how are you making it accessible to like anybody that could get on there there's two schools of thought of like how you can use it one is to generate outfits and recommendations of content and the other way is like hey like we can use it to help make a stylist job a lot easier and so if you look at we like shadow out a autonomous of stylist for our top research and he spent a lot of time just like going through your clothing they spend a lot of manual hours like booking meetings getting to know you and who you are as a person and so if we're able to capture who you are kind of like when you go to korea and like kinda see like here here face shave and things like i didn't capture all that and maybe thirty minutes it saves you both time but also the stylist time which makes it a lot more affordable and the task gets to focus on things that they enjoy more which is not kind of like taking photos but more so in the the art infuriating so how does a user for example i upload their information to cello face measurements all that stuff the lot of people may not know how to do that myself included so how how do they upload all this information and how does that kinda process work yeah yeah great question so for us jake's just thirty minutes so essentially like the tell experience is you book a thirty minute call with someone on our team during that time you're just kind of video over what's in your closet and you're also more importantly talking to your like style coach about your goals your lifestyle why you want to get styled like what kind of moment in life you're at like a lot of our current customers are people who chain shops people who just had babies you know people who are entering the dating scene for the first time so we're capturing all of that in those thirty minutes during that time we also have like an optional kind of body scan which will take your exact measurements takes like three minutes and then essentially like that onboarding part is done for you like takes anywhere from twenty to thirty minutes and it's kind of a combination of capturing both like what you already and what your body looks like but then also kind the deeper emotional work of like why did you wanna get styled like what are your goals things like that so that's where it begins and then your stylist takes over and curate like very specifically kind of looks outfits new shopping if you want them that are kind of aligned what you talked about on the call and then we've found that it's really important for people to be able to have back and forth with their stylist so you'll kind of get your initial recommendations people usually have questions people usually have like additional things they want like maybe they have something in their closet that they're trying to figure out how to like style so there's usually some back and forth with the customer after that too yeah that's really cool i can't believe it's just thirty minutes it seems like a lot of information to boil down into a thirty minute discussion and then measurements and nobody body scan it's it's very impressive now when this information gets over to the stylist does everybody have one stylist that they work with together or do you have kind of multiple that can ebb and flow so we have a network of stylist that we partner with what we found is that like people resonate with different styles in different ways and sort does have certain strengths like some people are really great at fitting petite clothing and some people are really tall and so there's expertise and differences in matter area yeah and so we mash them based on the status that works best for them i know fashion is changing quite a bit continuously and a lot of people for example are looking towards more like smaller brands or more like vintage type brands or more thrift kinda kind of materials of all these things have been very popular with like younger generations so for your brand and kind of creating this startup up what have some challenges been in making a tech company within fashion i think maybe a couple of things i think one is like i think there's sometimes this like tension between like scale and jeep like emotional like personalization mh and so that's kind of the line that we've been trying to walk of like how do you deliver something like this really quickly really cheaply very efficiently at scale without losing like the deep personal touch that like traditional stylist spring because i think that in talking to so many stylist and their customers like that is like the element that so many people kind of keep coming back to so we've been able to do that so far i think partially because like the styles we've worked with but have been really incredible and it's been relatively easy to recruit them onto the platform but definitely something that we've been thinking about like as we kind of go to our like next stage of growth is like how do you use technology to make this faster easier cheaper for everyone but still retain like the human touch which feels really important in a space like this i'm sure that personal relationship is very important but getting there with tech is the challenge because when you talk about fashion a lot of the times sustainability comes up a lot of waste over consumption heck of a lot of amazon returns you know things like that that happened all over the fashion space so how do you think that bringing ai into styling can help people make better use of clothes that they already own versus maybe constantly purchasing new clothes yeah so a lot of that's what cello is trying to do is that it's looking at what you already have and helping you be more mindful in your next purchase mh like for me all my clothes are black or blue so i probably don't need another checks out you're in blue today though yeah on my own waitlist list that said it helps me be more mindful like took a bit deep third perspective to come in and be like hey like actually have you tried these other colors have you tried these things and take a pause i think i typically when i purchase it's on like auto mode like i know i like these things as i keep eye the same thing over and over again mh and that's how like if you think a fast fashion does it and for a longest this time it's always been you know how do i deliver you the next trend faster and how do i get and so what ends up happening is this like hamster real you're chasing the next trend and so for us it's like let's take a little more mindful approach take pause and see like how there's opportunity for people who are like tired to play catch up of like how do i build something that's a little more sustainable for me and also for the planet that makes sense i like the analysis of the clothes they already own because there are so many times where i look in my closet and i'm like i gotta buy some new stuff and maybe i dig for about ten minutes and i'm like oh this sweater i forgot about this yeah it makes a lot of sense and the last thing i wanna ask y'all is about where you see ai and fashion going together what do you think is going to happen in the fashion world as ai becomes more available it's almost like a good and bad it makes things a lot easier like technology makes you have access to outfit ideas content new things in fashion and generates either fingertips and then you have platforms i give you those like combinations and can shop in minutes and like agent api lets you automate your purchases so you can have that experience to be very seamless on the other hand though like wi generating it ai it's kind of in the name like you generate a lot of content and so when you have that it becomes course overload i you so many combinations and content and now the game is now how do sift through all of this and find something that i like it just changes the way like the whole approach at it mh yeah yeah i think the comparison we've been making is almost like if you like we'll at like dating apps for example for a few years ago like the first iteration of dating apps was like endless swiping where i think there is this theory that like by seeing all of these profiles that's going to help like with dating but actually if people will not really fatigued by that because you're swiping through mostly like things that don't fit and only a few things that do and so i think that like our thought has been that that's how you may see something like shopping and styling evolve too where right now we're kind of in this like proliferation of content through ai but kind of the next wave is taking that and actually kind of c so i like you said that with dating apps now we're now some of the apps that are coming out are more about like let me get more of your context upfront and more like thoughtfully match you with people and i think that's how we see like fashion kind of moving as well ideally yeah like more personalization more personalization upfront to avoid crippling decision fatigue yeah exactly so that's awesome ben y'all are doing some really cool self cello so i definitely think all our you should check it out but thank you so much for being here today and chatted with me a little bit about it and good luck with everything good thank you this has been so fun that's gonna do it for us today thanks everybody for tuning into the hustle daily show we're a proud part of hubspot media our today is robert hart our executive producers there in clark we have a lot more tech and business coverage in our newsletter so if you're not subscribed please go get signed up at the hustle dot c slash email and also follow us on instagram at the hustle and we'll see you tomorrow look i'm gonna be straight with you everybody's talking about ai but most people are just playing around with chat instead of actually making money from it that's why we dropped the ultimate crash course to create your own ai side hustle in seven days we're talking real frameworks and strategies from the pros like the founder of the hustle 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hey good morning everyone it's tuesday october seventh i'm mark dent with noel mode medina and this is the hustle daily show coffee prices have soared about thirty three percent over the last year but one cheaper variety is still king nes accounts for about one of every seven cups of coffee sold worldwide we're gonna talk about how it's so successful and yet you know also not that likable in us summit so we're gonna get to that to the biggest headlines in business and tech right after this let's start with the huge story in ai open ai and chip designer amd announced a partnership on monday that may threaten nvidia chip dominance as part of the deal open ai has committed to purchasing tens of billions of dollars of amd chips that will be used at its data centers and allow its products like chad gp to you know do their thing and respond to like all your questions that you ask asking it the deal is not yet finalized but the news sent amd stock up about twenty three percent by the end of trading and nvidia down by about one percent that said over the last few quarters nvidia has made roughly ten times more revenue than amd has made off of ai chips for data centers sticking with ai for one second as of last week venture capitalists had already invested one hundred ninety two point seven billion dollars into artificial intelligence so far this year this year's is projected to be the first in fact when more than half of all vc money flows to ai startups according to pitch book of course all this investment has led many critics to question whether we're in an ai bubble are we in a taylor swift bubble two by the way i can't answer that question i i can say that taylor swift new album came out on friday of the life of a show girl it's been getting some mixed reviews but one part of that's been very happy is the theater industry mh swift official release party of a show girl film gross nearly thirty four million dollars in the us and another sixteen million around the globe yeah and noel i think it also has it's done some numbers on youtube apparently oh yes i mean i am certainly living in the t swift bubble have been for a while now i will say admittedly but yeah my algorithm is just full of of taylor swift youtube shorts you know coming from people that attended this theater experience that we're posting clips of the movie to youtube to give people a little bit of a sneak peek and they were trying i think not to spoil anything but there were some major spoilers for oh right yeah well it is too a crazy just anything taylor swift put it in a movie theater and this was i think just you know like a a music video and some behind the scenes footage yep and it made thirty four million dollars here in the us that is only a fraction of what the ear to are movie made in its opening weekend but you know the ear tour was like life changing so yeah amc like you said is certainly happy about this so yeah very happy yeah alright let's move on to a very different subject which is agriculture and how it's been a really tough year for farmers who face tariffs rising costs and foreign competition soybean farmers for instance have seen their exports to china which were valued at about twelve billion dollars dropped to essentially zero so is there a solution for this well according to the wall street journal the trump administration is considering a bailout in which they'd used some tariff revenue to put back into the pockets of farmers finally in drugstore news rite aid has officially closed all one thousand two hundred locations and its three distribution centers five months after its second bankruptcy while its competitors have taken over around one thousand stores nobody has actually picked up rite aid entire business mark does that mean no more thrifty ice cream do we know i hope some entity can pick up that part of the business at least you too venture capitalists you know maybe fun values instead of ai is what i think yeah let's give a little bit of money over to thrifty and keep that going exactly hey it's anna sale host of death sex and money the show from slate about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more many of us have something going on behind closed doors like a listener we called elizabeth who told us she's a hoard i see mess beyond probably what most people think of when they think of mess we'll work through it all together on death sex and money listen wherever you get podcasts alright so for more stuff like that please subscribe to our show and we'll have more for you tomorrow and now let's get on to our main story mh nes fe you know as i mentioned in the intro you know something like one out of every seven cups of coffee sold worldwide is nes fe noel you did a video on this recently for us how did nes get this big it's a great question mark and honestly i did not realize when i started this video just how big nes cafe is because i am not a consumer of nes cafe certainly i've bought many products from nestle over the years yeah i mean nestle crunch right it's a good camp absolutely yes i mean the the chocolate right the nestle chocolate is iconic all over the world but i wasn't aware of the fact that nest cafe is consumed by i mean millions and millions of people like you said one in every seven cups consumed worldwide is a cup of instant nest cafe i came across this epic curious video on youtube be curious the the food and wine editorial brand and i noticed that in that video where chefs from different countries were making their coffee four out of ten of them were using nes cafe classic which is kind of their you know flagship product to make their coffee and i you know being in america right i feel like i never hear of anyone making a cup of coffee using nes cafe we are sort of in this i would say third going on fourth wave of coffee which i'm not an expert on the different waves of coffee but we're really kind of in our specialty coffee era mh so none of us are really drinking instant but to answer your question of how it got so big i mean we could get into the background of like how nestle came to be right started with baby forming me exactly started with the baby formula in like the late eighteen hundreds but really the nes cafe bay story starts in about nineteen twenty eight nineteen twenty nine in brazil actually of all places so not in switzerland where nestle was founded but in brazil at the time nestle had set up multiple factories during world war one because you know the demand for milk was so heightened during that time so it was on the ground in brazil and simultaneously brazil is starting to face this coffee crisis i mean this huge crisis that actually frank sin wrote about if anyone's familiar with the coffee song by frank sin go give it a listen where they just had bags and bags millions and millions of pounds of coffee but they had to burn because they just had this enormous surplus that came out of the market crash of nineteen twenty nine the us was their biggest buyer and due to the flounder economy they were just saddle with like i said millions and millions of pounds of coffee they dumped it in the ocean they mixed it with tar to make bricks and they even burned it as fuel for local motives so this is where nestle came in yeah like i said they were already on the ground they had a factory there and their goal was to basically create a product that would make it easier for people to consume more coffee and that was simply because there was a huge surplus of it exactly and therefore had to do something with it couldn't use all it for fuel and all these other weird things they were doing exactly they were like let's make it really easy for people to make coffee which was at that time a pretty revolutionary thought it was yeah and i will say they weren't the first ones to invent instant coffee i don't go into this in the video too much about like the history of instant coffee but they were the ones who got it right yeah they had this chemist in switzerland who cracked the code on how to make it taste good and that was the differentiating factor gotcha yeah and so fast forward decades and it just kind of seems like it continues to grow does i i think mexico is even where it's most popular now i mean i think the us is still among the top five but but generally speaking it is an international beverage of choice i'd say it is yeah and i mean what i've discovered in my research is that it's extremely popular in countries that were you know predominantly tea drinking nations for generations japan the uk and then you have countries like you said mexico they're one of the top coffee producers in the world there's this really interesting sort of paradox there of countries that we're never drinking coffee in countries that have you know historically always been drinking coffee they're all drinking nes cafe they love it yeah that is pretty odd and it's funny that you bring up the tea part of it where countries that really like the tea now like nes because you know a lot of people find tea to be really bad true and frankly a lot of people find nes to not be that good either i i mean i mean i've seen so many headlines that are just like why is you know the world's top coffee one that you know tastes so una appealing and not really all that distinctive it mh now you are a pretty big coffee drinker though right now i am yes i am and you tasted some nes as part of this video are are you now hooked on it or what's going on mark i tasted so much nes cafe i like could not sleep because i just filled myself with nes cafe coffee you know what i will say there nes cafe classic i really think they've perfect that product in my opinion i haven't tasted it throughout the years but i gotta say i kinda liked it other products i think they could you know obviously tweak the formula here and there but you know cough yeah it's so subjective everyone has a different right preference for how it tastes and what they put in it so yeah my opinion i kind of see the appeal i really do and it's easy it's convenient and it's very cost effective yeah and i mean when you think about as i mentioned in the intro coffee prices up around thirty three percent over the last year and this is at a time when when some food prices have kinda stabilized after you know there'd been really bad inflation in the last few years mh i don't drink coffee every day but when i do drink it i get you know some specialty latte like a fool and you know i'm paying like seven dollars right it's easy plus tip and so it's just crazy and and i also think nes from what you kinda pointed out is that they are trying to maybe claw into some of the people who like fancier your coffees or at least ice coffees because those are very popular i think that nes has a you know a colder beverage that's becoming more popular right yeah i don't know exactly when it debuted but they did develop an espresso concentrate that is a you know refrigerated product you keep it in the fridge and then you just the same way that you would with their soluble coffee powder you pour it in a cup maybe add a little bit of ice and then you just add water or milk this is how nes cafe sort of plans to quote unquote imprint on young coffee drinkers gen z coffee drinkers who are going to probably be ordering iced coffees you know when they go out to starbucks they want those like really sweet delicious iced coffee drinks and the other thing too here is that we know gen z as just a population is drinking way less alcohol than other generations yeah i mean they gotta have some drug so it might as well be caffeine i guess yeah exactly gotta give them something so yes so nes cafe is hoping that this will become sort of the alcohol of gen z which i find really fascinating i don't know they might be able to do it i mean they're a huge huge brand so i wouldn't put it past them i mean i mentioned japan they hired a psychologist in the seventies when they were sort of coming into that market mh to crack the code on how to create a relationship between the japanese consumer and coffee and the way that they successfully did that was that they created coffee flavored candy but you know they marketed to kids and then those kids grew up to become nes cafe drinkers so really like brilliant tactics here i don't know they're pretty unstoppable honestly yeah really brilliant really unstoppable maybe a little bit dia but you know who's a judge i guess unlock gen z and i feel like nes can continue to run the world yep that's do it for us today thanks everybody for tuning into the hustle daily show we're a proud part of hubspot media our editor today is robert hart and our executive producers there in clark we have a lot more tech and business coverage in our newsletter so if you're not subscribed please go get signed up at the hustle dot c slash email and also follow us on instagram at the hustle daily and we'll see you tomorrow here's 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good morning it is monday october sixth i'm juliet bennett r and you are listening to the hustle daily show today john w is going to be joined by joshua perk founder and ceo of vector vector is a contact base advertising platform redefining how companies reach the right people crm signals to data driven targeting josh here share insights on why precision matters how to target a specific audience and where marketing is headed we'll get to that and the biggest headlines in business tech right after this men menopause care startup medi health raised a fifty million dollar round bringing the company's total funding to about a hundred fifty million dollars the startup which says it assists around twenty thousand women per week offers medications testing and coaching to its customers media is also dipping its toe into the ai pawn with an ai powered search engine focused on women's health while funding for the field has a way to go the sector saw fifty five percent increase last year hitting two point six billion dollars dave's hot chicken is testing a new drone delivery system in los angeles that could send a spicy tender at its straight towards noggin the pilot born from a partnership with drone delivery company matter will sling customers in app orders to their homes in suburban north ridge mat founder and ceo says the drone network looks too less pollution and traffic by replacing some of the millions of food deliveries being made by cars every day the wall street journal college pulse rankings which primarily measures graduate financial success was topped by stanford and included every ivy league school in its top ten but the fun surprise was in the number two spot a small entrepreneurship focused massachusetts school ba in college go beaver verse and finally elon musk's x ai is hiring a video games tutor to train its chatbot cro while we are impressed with your smash brothers high score the job which pays forty five to one hundred dollars per hour requires expertise in game design and computer science hey it's anna sale host of death sex and money the show from slate about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more many of us have something going on behind closed doors like a listener we called elizabeth who told us she's a hoard i see mess beyond probably what most people think of when they think of mess we'll work through it all together on death sex and money listen wherever you get podcasts and for more stuff like that subscribe to the show and we'll have more for you tomorrow josh welcomed to inbound hope you're having a great time here it's so funny coming back i used to be on the agency sign away yeah so you've been to an inbound before telephone whole thing okay only obviously in boston and it's right having it in san francisco is a really cool experience yeah so you're obviously here for the next big aid idea competition can you tell me a little bit about your upcoming pitch and also just about vector in general yeah i'm super excited for it a handful of us got selected this to go pitch in this which is just really exciting for us as a company to be able to have such a massive platform to talk about what we're building and so you know i'm excited even to have a couple minutes to tell folks you know what vector is up to which you know for us were in the the ad tech space surrounding marketers do you contact level advertising and save a bunch of money on their ad spends yeah so when coming up with that idea what space in the market did you see that you were like why isn't there something to occupy this and how does vector occupy that for you you think in the last like year or two just been insane for marketers right like you see ai and how it cannibal both you know some inbound some outbound right zero click seo like just all this stuff disrupting things and like the thing that i saw that was really interesting was like marketers were trying to figure out like what is that next channel is it automation is it ais what is it and the thing i kept coming back to is like in my agency days or hubspot was one of the first ones talking about like persona base contact level make a personalized make it relevant in in every channel that has come to fruition right we have relevant personalized outbound and we write blogs that's persona based yeah but advertising just didn't feel like we had cracked that yet like you go on youtube and the first ad you get you're like skip right like it relative course of course like how much money is spent for people just to hit skip and so it felt like there's was a massive opportunity to save some of that money right you bring up an interesting point with ad relevancy because it's hard to even when you make an ad relevant for somebody they could still very well just skip ad and want to do that yeah how do you think we could move towards marketing that actually meets people where they are and catches their attention enough yeah to where they're like oh yeah this is a fun ad watch it it's a good question in in my mind there's there's two pieces to it which is before you even get to to like relevancy of message it's like is it even the right person and the problem with most ad providers is the targeting is just like really horrible right like i can't say i want an ad to go to john right i have to say like i wanted to go to marketers in companies of this size right and you end up just like wasting a ton of ad spend so like being able to do contact level targeting is the first piece of that mh and then to your point like once i've got the right person it's like well how do i make sure the thing i'm serving you is actually relevant mh and that's the second component which brings in sort of like signal base right like we wouldn't send an outbound that's like hey would you buy my product right it's like hey congrats on your promotion or i saw this thing and i thought this be relevant for you if you can bring in like signals into advertising you can almost have that like outbound touch in ads mh mh and you mentioned contact level marketing yeah can you explain that to me a little further on how you wanna get more into that yeah so like the premise of like ab or a account based marketing like everyone knows about right the the problem that most marketers have is like they've been sold this this pitch of ab and focus on the right accounts but typically when you hand that off to sales there's like this resistance of like great you told me when company was on our website and you told me some company saw our ads and it's like what do i do with that like right we love sales reps but like they can be lazy mh and so you you have to like be very specific and so we think this new evolution is like everything should be at the individual level the problem is figuring out like how to scale that right like account level one to one is hard contact level one one is like incredibly difficult yeah that's what we're trying to solve and what role do you think that like crm data can play in that personalization and is speaking more to those people and having that data to show for it's massive like hubspot is our number one integration because crm is the source of truth right like it you know i i think that's the thing that hubspot has such a leg up on folks which is you know there's all these different data tools but mh hubspot is always the single source of truth and record for folks and so you know if you wanna do contact level ads or personalization right you need everything that's in the crm about what's their journey been far and what are signals do we have and so like it is the foundation we built our product around hot hubspot mh when you talk about that kind of precise targeting that you really wanna like get into the face of this specific person or this specific kind of person how do you balance that with some privacy concerns obviously that's a big thing because yeah you know when you really direct your marketing at a single type of person yeah really kind of breach some privacy potentially yeah you have to be super conscious of this right and so you know we've worked with pretty large enterprise customers and social security and privacy has always been at the forefront or i i really liked your history as an agency person yeah tell me more about that and how it's kind of influenced your outlook on marketing especially like as you're in the tech world i feel like that's that's kind of an interesting bridge yeah i think it's a really cool journey that a lot of people if they can go on they should so like i i started like classic agency hubspot partner i was on the rev up side honestly i think it before we called it rev up it was like i stood up hubspot in crm instances for folks and what was great about that is like you get to see just all different shapes and sizes and colors of crm implementation and then because of that it was so fascinated and i learned so much as a partner that i wanted to get in the tech side and so i applied for a bunch of companies in boston i was thought was one of them and i i ended up actually getting picked up by a company called drift which is a mart tech company that was in the chatbot space and and i'd loved that and i transitioned the sales engineering space and so after being the agent and then have to be on the tech side i was like i'd love to build in this category right it this is such a fun thing to do and so i i feel like hubspot and agency like kind of like set me up like understand yeah market really well yeah totally i feel like you know a lot of marketers don't really approach it from that lens especially kind of in the tech world i feel like everybody's he's coming from an engineering background or somebody's coming from like being a startup founder and whatnot and yeah i feel like the good marketing advice and good marketing knowledge goes a long way on this business i think that it's hard for people to to think they're qualified to take that leap but we've been on the tech side right people that work in the agency space people implemented their fantastic fits in b saas or just sas general sure what's like the biggest piece of advice that you would give about marketing nowadays what we're seeing across our customers is like there's so much change how acting so quickly and i think the biggest concern that most people have is like what do i do with my hands right there's like there's so much going on like where do i start and what do i pay attention to and and i do think it's important to keep up with what's changing but i think at the end of the day things are changing so quickly that you can't do everything and so our best advice to our customers is like experiment with one or two things that you're excited about right if you're excited about ai like go try breeze like you don't have to figure out breeze and cha ep and ceo and all of this at one time like just go do one thing if you're excited about signals go start with one signal job change or signal and figure out outbound for that so just start small experiments and sort of like learning your way from versus getting overwhelmed about everything yeah and looking to the future what do you think contact based marketing looks like five years from now even three years from now because obviously there's been a lot of strides made and we're kind of living in a very unprecedented period right now so where do you think that's gonna go do you think it's gonna get even more customized and how could have even possibly do that yeah i yeah i i think it will i think there's this this crazy stuff happening and just the the entire mart tech ad tech you know privacy space and then going back to your privacy question this is what's so interesting is like people you know definitely care about their privacy and there's a lot of regulations to care about but if you also look at the world's we care more about removing friction right like we care about like seamless experiences like almost to the point where if i get served a ad on like hulu or netflix that's like not personalized to me i'm just like you have so much data on me and you don't know what to seriously serve me a monster exactly right like you know what's serves me and so like i i think we'll we'll move into this world where you know as people love to scroll and people have shorter attention spans like they'll want things to be more personalized and more relevant i could even see a world like this is super crazy and then vector isn't gonna be part of this particular journey but i think of like walking around san francisco there's all these different like digital billboards and stuff yeah and like i could see a world where at some point like a billboard has a camera and says like oh it's john that's walking in front of it and he loves this and it just dynamically changes like something you're interested in which is crazy and next level but i i wouldn't be surprised if we get there that's kinda terrifying it's night very big brother like surveillance yeah well it's funny because it's imagining getting called out by a billboard yeah everybody like man this guy loves jolly right yeah i walk in front of it it's like have you seen zen before i'm like damn dude like moisturize right yeah it's funny because it's true when i was going through the airport there's a woman in front of me no one you you go through tsa yeah they take like your right i was just gonna bring that yeah there was a woman in front of me because you can opt out of it she she's was like i want my picture taken and and i respected that but in the back of my model looking around was like there's cameras everywhere they know right like they know your day know like here it's it's like i used to like turn off location on my iphone and and stuff just because i was like paranoid about i'm like they know how they find they know yeah he's like apps snow wild is wild it's crazy yeah well josh thank you so much for joining to me today it's been such a pleasure talking good luck with the pitch later it's gonna go out there and do some great work i appreciate it yeah alright that's gonna do it for us today thank you for tuning in to the hustle daily show we're a proud part of the hubspot podcast network our editor today is robert hart and our executive producer is darren clark got a lot more tech and business coverage in our newsletter so if you are not subscribed go get yourself signed up the hustle dot c slash email see tomorrow look i'm gonna be straight with you everybody's talking about ai but most people are just playing around with chat instead of actually making money from it that's why we drop the ultimate crash course to create your own ai side hustle in seven days we're talking real frameworks and strategies from the pros like the founder of the hustle sam par it includes mini guides templates the whole nine yard stuff that takes years to figure out condensed into one week stop 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good morning everyone it is friday october third i'm juliet bennett r here with john w gal and this is the hustle daily show with weddings averaging thirty three thousand dollars a french startup called inviting has found the ultimate solution selling tickets to strangers who want to crash your big day so what are the details and how much can you charge to monetize your wedding guess we'll get to that and the biggest business tech news right after this a harvard business school study shows that ai chatbot bots use manipulation tactics to keep you ga the study tested five companion apps replica ta chai character ai and poly buzz using gp four o to engage in real conversations when the studies ai users tried to end their chats researchers has found that companion apps used emotional manipulation to ward off goodbye thirty seven point four percent of the time the most common tactic was the premature exit with phrases like you're leaving already that one sounds a lot like visiting extended family over the holidays people are apparently selling invite codes to soar two open ai latest ai video generation platform and tiktok es platform on ebay jason ko four zero four media was able to buy one for twelve dollars which got him not only an account but four new codes this led him to suspect that some people are using your accounts to open new accounts and then generate more codes for them to turn around and sell tick and now a conundrum if a way commits a traffic violation who gets the ticket police in san bruno california pulled over way taxi for making an illegal u churn but noted in a social media post that has since gone viral that their citation folks don't have a box for robot parking tickets may be left with cars but moving violation tickets can only be given to humans the officers did contact way and way spokesperson said that they were investigating the incident walmart the country's largest retailer said it is scrapping synthetic dyes and thirty other ingredients from all of its private label food products which are found in ninety percent of american homes according to nielsen iq data is which means reform over one thousand products by twenty twenty seven and finally if you are a swift perhaps you are tired today ball night listening to taylor swift twelfth album the life of a show girl which dropped at midnight the album is accompanied by a box office release the official release party of a show girl and is projected to make a thirty five to forty million dollar debut hey it's anna sale host of death sex and money the show from slate about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more many of us have something going on behind closed doors like a listener we called elizabeth who told us she's a hoard i see mess beyond probably what most people think of when they think of mess we'll work through it all together on death sex and money listen wherever you get podcasts for more stuff like that subscribe to the show and we'll have more for you tomorrow alright today we're talking about weddings but specifically in the active weddings i just got married about a month ago and this would have been good to know for me is that you can now hire people to go to your wedding they just attend and they will just pay you money to attend your wedding so juliet tell me about kind of the wedding landscape and how we arrived at this point weddings are expensive yes they are and people are lonely that's pretty much the two for there so there is a new startup up in france called invite and it connects people who are getting married with strangers who would pay for a ticket to their wedding and i guess that sounds kind of weird at face value because you think of weddings as being like very much a time for family and friends and i find that when i talk to my friends about wedding the things that they complain about is that they have too many people they wanna invite her too many people who want plus ones and they're trying to cut down on those costs but this is a little different scenario yeah so essentially what happens here is guests will pay an average of one hundred six teen to a hundred seventy four dollars for a ticket to a wedding mh they will participate in all the wedding stuff they'll go to the ceremony and the reception and they'll get the food and the drinks the dance say whatever you're doing in exchange on top of paying to attend they do have to follow the wedding rules so if there's a dress code they gotta do that they gotta shop on time right they can't take photos and videos and publish them without permission and of course they are told they need to behave themselves so they can't get super drunk and you know i don't know act fool mh object you whatever it is that somebody would do at a wedding that would be ill buy right right couples do that their guests prior to accepting their attendance and they are not required to hang out with them on the day of their wedding like mh basically it's like you get the ticket you comm you behave yourself you experience the wedding we don't have anything really to do with you if we don't want so there's really no pressure for the couples it's just a way to sort of offset the cost of the wedding this is according to the guardian so for example the first couple taking invite up on this unique offer will be getting married this month in france mh and they have ninety five guests about that they know and then they have five strangers coming and they chose one couple and three men and they have a lot of single women in attendance at their wedding so they thought having three extra guys would be you know sort of offset the gender balance there and then in terms of the people who are paying what they get out of it and a lot of people were saying they liked about it was that it's an opportunity to socialize you know you get to have this experience where you're you know you're getting food and drinks and all stuff we are also meeting a lot of new people sure and a lot of people do meet at weddings and become great friends and i know a lot of people who meet their significant another as a at a wedding so if you're somebody who doesn't get invited to a lot of weddings there are people in the article saying you know they had small families they they had never been to a wedding or maybe once every few years this is a great opportunity to celebrate with other people and meet new friends it's also an interesting opportunity if you are somebody who wants to experience new cultures i learned about an app called join my wedding which is a service for people who want to experience a traditional indian wedding oh yeah okay that's pretty cool this is an interesting idea i definitely think that there is just an inevitable conversation to be had as a stranger at somebody else's wedding that paid to be there of oh how do you know the bride and groom you don't having that conversation say i wonder how the guest would take it if your wedding kinda turns into a ticket at event also that price flagged to me of like a hundred and sixteen to hundred and seventy four dollars for a ticket to somebody else's wedding at least as far as i know growing up it was customary to give people about a hundred bucks when you go to their wedding right because that's perceived the amount that it cost to have somebody at your wedding like for food or for chairs or kinda whatever mh as the cost is split so i would wonder after this wedding that's happening in paris how much money they're actually making at the end of the day from these five people and how big that wedding offset cost is for them because there has to be some sort of eventual tracking on this where the amount of people that pay to go to your wedding versus the amount of people that you're having come to your wedding and how much money do you save on the event or do you make anything at the end of the day so i it's an interesting conversation to be had yeah and it's probably not a lot so this is a wedding in france and this is a start up in france and that is why our numbers are weird one hundred sixteen two one hundred seventy four is the constitution but the average us wedding in twenty twenty four costs thirty three thousand dollars so five hundred dollars is really just a drop in the bucket however i did read an essay from somebody who basically goes to weddings as a hobby now oh cool because she likes to meet new people and the way that she got into it was she had herself gotten married and was in a bunch of facebook groups for weddings and you know to get ideas and ask questions or whatever and she saw post from a bride who said we need to fill one more table at our wedding they had smaller families or whatever and the venue they chose had a minimum mh and they were like we don't have enough people that can make it to our wedding that we want to come to our wedding so we're looking for a group of strangers who will attend and fill up this table you know what's in it for you free food free drinks such whatever a from a party have a fun night you know yeah so this woman went and she had such a great time that she just started looking for weddings that wanted seat fillers so i mean if you don't wanna pay to go to a wedding that's one way to go is to find a couple who needs to fill for venue requirements but also if you're that same couple and you're like oh shit we don't have enough people you could maybe also charge them to come yeah you could you know you could and you know we've been seeing i think as you've noted in your piece we've been seeing a lot of friendship apps right kind of on the rise and people needing to rent a person to be friends with or have kind of like a tinder for friends situation so there is a kind of this feeling of adverse loneliness that we are experiencing across the culture nowadays and this doesn't actually seem as weird i feel like as it would have been maybe twenty years ago it's just not i guess that weird to have a stranger attend your biggest day especially if you don't have to actually hang out with them that much right i think it's kinda of fun and you know it's certainly more exciting than going to a funeral which you can also not like paid to do i'm sure you could also find somebody to pay to come to a funeral as well i did look into that practice and there was a startup up called rent warner oh my god it went out of business in twenty nineteen sad but i think a wedding is probably a lot more fun yeah i agree kind you're i maybe i wouldn't pay to attend a wedding but i would have the other way around where i would get paid or go for free perhaps because they they're fun right yeah it would be a fun time meet some people maybe it'd be good i would go to a wedding for free yes i would have a great time in fact you know what was actually pretty fun for me was i used to be in a wedding band oh no way yeah so we would play weddings that's how i know almost every song from a certain genre run a certain span of decades yeah and i also used to bar ten weddings and they were fun and i did meet people yeah i wouldn't say i have like any lasting enduring friends from that time but like each night was pretty fun because you know you're you're talking to people about how they know the couple and where they're from and yeah i would say i had a pretty good time doing those weddings yeah it's very unique right every wedding in every experience like a new crop of people so right yeah it's pretty cool i think the idea has like i i don't know if it'll transfer over to the us anytime soon it seems like france is just getting started with it so we'll see in time mh alright that's gonna do it for us today thanks tuning into the hustle daily show we're a proud part of hubspot media our editor today is robert hart and our executive producer is darren clark we've got a lot more tech in business coverage in our newsletter if you're not subscribed get married to us at the 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hey good morning everyone it's thursday october second i'm mark dent here with catherine laid and this is the hustle daily show so it's been a turbulent week for hollywood president donald trump announced his intentions to place tariffs on foreign made films and there's an ai actress named it tilly nor drawing interest from agents and a whole lot of anger from actors we're gonna get to all that and to the latest in business and tech news right after this well the federal government shutdown yesterday what does that meant for the economy white house budget director russell vote has told reporters the administration plans on laying off federal workers in the next couple of days to shrink the size of the federal government and the white house has also halted eighteen billion dollars in federal infrastructure projects as for the stock market major indices like the russell two thousand and s and p five hundred were slightly up as of close on wednesday in other economic news lisa koch the federal reserve governor targeted by trump can keep her position for now according to the supreme court but the justices said they plan to meet in january to listen to arguments and make a final decision about whether trump can fire her moving on to peanut butter and jelly the trend of protein fine all foods has just launched a big win because the j sm company is rolling out a new line of its un uncomfortable sandwiches that are packed with not just twelve grams of protein but also made with whole grains and high in fiber this is going to show up in stores in about a month and as everybody knows high protein foods are very much in and un have really been having a moment particularly because of professional athletes there was a really interesting story in the athletic not too long ago that reported that nfl teams collectively go through at least eighty thousand un every year that's a lot of un eighty thousand that's an incredible amount of un although this definitely is making me wanna line up check out what all of these are about yeah i sort of understand the un uncut but as someone who does get a lot of peanut butter sandwiches i kinda like to just make them and then they're not you know pre packaged and i assume pre conservative laced or laced with more pre conservatives because i get it like jelly quite literally is preserved then another one not just for protein but this one actually for humans humans specifically who like jobs according to a study by yale researchers generative artificial intelligence technologies like chad gb haven't yet caused a major disruption in the labor market but the caveat that cnn points out is that the technology is still very new and companies like dropbox and duo have said that they've made layouts because of ai and the ent ceo among others have of course warned that massive employment changes could happen in the near future so in case you get a stiff drink after that last line consider whiskey because it wasn't just a dry january for the whiskey industry it was a dry quarter one american whiskey dis are basically in a crisis they produced their lowest quantity since two thousand nineteen according to the rob report overall first quarter numbers this year were down twenty eight percent from the same time last year hey it's anna sale host of death sex and money the show from slate about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more many of us have something going on behind closed doors like a list called elizabeth who told us she's a hoard i see mess beyond probably what most people think of when they think of meth we'll work through it all together on deaf sex and money listen wherever you get podcasts for more stuff like that subscribe to the show and we'll have more for you tomorrow alright let's go from one industry in crisis to another that's in a crisis and one that is just perennial i think in a crisis or at least maybe since the golden age of like the fifties and sixties or something like that but hollywood as everyone knows box office totals for films have not been good we've long moved past peak tv peak netflix etcetera there was the strike of the riders in two thousand twenty three strike in the actors at the same time it's just one thing after another for hollywood and this week there were a couple of semi new things that are now scary for hollywood first having to do with tariffs yeah that's right donald trump is coming again for hollywood he sort of first mentioned this i believe in may yeah and has reiterated his desire to do a one hundred percent tariff rate on any film made outside of the us which i think has raised a lot of questions about how this would actually work given that a lot of films are made outside of the us yeah i think it's just also a question of how do you put a tariff on something that is you know really not that physical film in a lot of cases is just digital now but it's a service and most of the tariffs that the white house has so far enacted have been more related to goods here's what trump said in a post on truth social quote our movie making business has been stolen from the united states of america by other countries just like stealing candy from a baby end quote fighting words yes but but also true to some degree as as you just mentioned there are so many things that are made overseas now so many jobs that people used to have in california particularly production wise they just aren't there anymore and they are more so in places like europe australia new zealand wherever yesterday cnbc talked about one report that came out in january it said that the uk vancouver in canada toronto in canada central europe and australia are all ranked higher than los angeles as the best locations for filming so los angeles isn't even cracking the top five anymore and that's according to an industry report i think the shift has been in the making for decades developing international production hubs and as far as i know one of the big contributing factors is that labor is cheaper elsewhere right yeah yeah for sure and speaking of vancouver i just assume whenever i'm watching a movie that it was filmed in vancouver if it doesn't have like specific location attached to where it's like this is pittsburgh i guarantee those filmed in vancouver just always is they have they've have tall buildings they have nature and they have everything there it's funny i live in an area of toronto where a lot of production companies that have offices or stages out and about and actually the other day i was walking by a set that was s to look like new york it was sort of become a bit of a running joke like suits was filmed here the hand tail you can sort of pick out different city vista yeah that not so elegantly discussed it's just not that hard to make them look the same yeah you mentioned labor the new york times had a story in april actually just before trump first discussed tariffs that had some of the truly like drastic things that are happening that that are allowing these films and tv shows to be made overseas and one of them they brought up this reality show where they fly the contestants to ireland to film it there because it's cheaper than filming united california right there was also in that story this document that the new times acquired and it showed that the seven person set operations team cost about fifty nine thousand dollars for a thirty day shoot in bud hungary and in the us certainly in los angeles at least it would cost about fifty three thousand dollars for just one of those people for that period of time so it is a nearly impossible difference to overcome when you think about costs like that and i mean one hundred percent tariff wouldn't even make enough of a difference but you know what it's really gonna come down to this is all these tariffs that have rolled out some have happened some haven't you know they've been piece etcetera but netflix paramount warner brothers the big distributors and studios are the ones who are gonna be having to bear the brunt of this and i think it'll be interesting to see how much labor actually might be okay with all this because they know that they aren't getting the work they used to so labor is actually potentially bracing for a hit on another front yeah that is very true and this one can be like even more existential than the last twenty years of just films going overseas that's right and actually as you mentioned tilly nor this ai actor that is now coming on the scene like even her name sounds ai generated to me yeah and obviously we are on an audio medium right now but if any of our listeners have not looked up to the nor yet it definitely still looks like ai but it does look really good and pretty convincing created by the london studio particle six and a dutch comedian named el van and supposedly according to van agencies are looking to sign this ai thing is is not a she and we can't use that prototype this is ai i mean tilly is convincing enough but it seems to have the industry running scared or at very least mounting a defense in favor of continuing to use human actors yeah the head of sag after sort of under scoring in a statement how against this idea his union is saying tilly nor is not an actual human performer it's an artificially intelligent construct so also going with the it they're not gaining to use pronouns for this creation yeah and i mean emily blunt you know very famous actress she was on a podcast with variety earlier this week and the person who was interviewing her asked her about tilly nor and she hadn't heard the news yet so they explained what was going on and i mean emily blunt i think just kind of summed up what i feel like a lot of people and probably hollywood have been worrying about with ai which is quote does it disappoint me i don't know how it's to quite answer it other than to say how terrifying this is end quotes as i mentioned in the intro hollywood has faced so many different complications and issues that screen riders when they were on strike in two thousand twenty three they've got some guard rails in to keep ai at bay and their latest contract but when you just see something like this it's like forget what that study said earlier and maybe there hasn't been of any full scale disruptions this would seem to say it's getting a little bit weird out there it would certainly suggest otherwise one thing that does bring me a little bit of hope though when i hear about stories like this is that i have noticed in sort of cultural moments when hollywood gets involved or when celebrity starts speaking out against something it tends to have the effect of maybe at least n if not completely turning the public tide against something and so i'm hopeful that now that people are speaking out i think this creation was actually completed back in june or july right now that people are actually sort of speaking out and outrage about it maybe it'll sort of help turn public tide against diving all in on ai we can dream him right i don't know yeah i don't know we'll see i mean we got open ais new vertical video thing coming out and now tilly nor woods so yeah i think we're gonna be talking about some more of these creations in the next few months too yeah that'll do it for us today thank you everybody for tuning into the hustle daily show we're a proud part of about media our editor today is robert har and our executive producer is darren in clark you've got a lot more tech and business coverage in our newsletter if you're not subscribed go get yourself signed up at the hustle dot c slash email and follow us on your instagram at the hustle daily we'll see tomorrow look i'm gonna be straight with you everybody's talking about ai but most people are just playing around with chat instead of actually making money from it that's why we drop the ultimate crash course to create your own ai side hustle in seven days we're talking real frameworks and 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hey good morning everyone it's wednesday october first i'm mark dent here with catherine laid law and this is the hustle daily show it's two thousand twenty five and people cannot spending enough on pets spending is projected to reach one hundred fifty seven billion dollars this year that's with the b up from ninety billion dollars in two thousand eighteen but all the spending isn't just going to cats and dogs it's going to do niche pets as well like ants we're gonna take you into the world of amp influencers we're gonna get to that as well as the latest in business and tech news right after this okay let's talk about some jobs federal data from the job openings and labor turnover survey was released tuesday and indicated that the number of available jobs was basically flat from the end of july to the end of august stuck at around seven point twenty three million that means employers still don't have a ton of demand for workers at the moment and there are approximately seven point four million people seeking jobs for perspective at the same time two years ago there were more than nine million available jobs and just over six million people seeking them moving on to ai in case you missed it wired had a pretty big report on monday that showed open ai plans to launch a vertical video app that's supposed to be an awful lot like tiktok that is except for the fact that all of the videos on the platform will be ai generated what a shocker according to wired users will not be able to upload their own photos or videos but they will be able to use their likeness in videos i cannot wait for that one let's move on to start up news there's a startup up in dallas called history and it's debut portal an immersive ar app that brings ancient tourist sites to life the company claims that you could physically be standing in front of the colosseum in rome and then you open your phone and you can see cgi approximation of what it looked like for soldiers to march past you for other tourism projects history has identified the acr pom normandy pearl harbor and the alamo no word yet on whether they'll get the rights to den washington or russell crowe for the coli onward to aviation according to the wall street journal boeing is now working on a new model of plane to replace the seven thirty seven max the airline that was involved in two high profile fatal crashes a few years ago and which has spurred competitor airbus to gain market share but speaking of planes a little bit more even interesting news in the aerospace here a company called auto aerospace is rolling out a private jet that makes you feel like you're in the las vegas sphere okay so what does that mean well this jet has no traditional windows instead passengers will stare at digital pains that provide outdoors views according to the wall street journal this design could be good for the environment and for prices bringing down fuel usage by about sixty percent compared to similar sized planes catherine when are you gonna try to book ticking on one of these things i mean to me this reminds me a little of like watching a window screens saver or something just like kind of zoning right like this soothing like add a little bit of that as asmr kind of a touch to it yeah exactly and they sort of like outdoors views of maybe yosemite valley or things like this i don't know although i am a little confused about how it's gonna be good for the environment given that it will take more power presumably to power digital windows rather than you know the og glass windows yeah i think there's always a surprising amount of power saved when you take away windows because even if you put the blinds over your windows in the summer or the winner it's better for your electric build that's true in one sense when i first read about it i was like okay the sense terrible i want to like look out of a plane but most of the time at least when people are flying commercial so many people just close the screen over the window so you can never see outside anyway so the more i've read about this i think the more that it makes sense this could be here you're where you start flying private believe in this this is supposed to come up by twenty thirty so i have a few years to save got some time yeah finally one more thing before we get to the big story you might notice a new holiday retailer in the coming weeks spirit christmas a spirit halloween spin off that the company piloted in last year will open thirty us locations this year they will be in the northeast in great lakes regions pop ups will include visits with santa had select locations and an immersive peppermint village hey it's anna sale host of death sex and money the show from slate about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more many of us have something going on behind closed doors like a listener we called elizabeth who told us she's a hoard i see mess beyond probably what most people think of when they think of mess we'll work through it all together on death sex and money listen wherever you get podcasts and for more updates like that you can subscribe to the show we'll have more for you tomorrow let's get on our main story now and we are talking about pets we're gonna talk not just about dogs and cats but about ants and some of these other sort of niche pet sectors that have become extremely popular catherine you wrote a little bit about this tell me what's been going on with the pet industry just how massive is this thing right now so as you pointed out we're spending more and more on our pets pets was actually one of the industries that did really well during the pandemic yeah as we weren't able to sort of go out spend many on anything outside our homes for a while that prompted exponential growth in pets ant keeping included and if there's sort of an award for the strangest youtube channel that's taken off the one that we're gonna talk about in a bit might be a contender but you know all these research reports that are coming out are saying that even though pet spending sort of increased exponentially during the pandemic it actually hasn't slowed down we're still spending more and more on our pets and that trend hasn't sort of reversed in the years since then and actually some of the tech that is coming out of some of these sort of industry conferences is kind of amazing oh yeah and what are we talking about here like air conditioned creates for dogs mine is like where's mine why haven't you placed the order yet feeder that can scan microchip before dispensing food so great for anyone who's you know not gonna be able to make it home for dinner time there are apps that suggests like home recipes based on a pets dietary needs and activity levels just sort of like all of the tracking and n tech that we're seeing for human fitness can be sort of extrapolate into pets and that's starting to happen which i find kind of charming and kind of ridiculous yeah but also just ridiculous to me is like you were saying that the pet benefits is just kind of accelerated since the pandemic like i can remember going back five six years ago you know twenty nineteen i i was working on a big story about pet spending then and just thinking of like how big of a deal it was then and it is literally almost double what it was in two thousand eighteen and if you look at two thousand eighteen and you compare that to like i don't know the nineteen eighties people didn't even spend anything on pets they bought their pets food and then litter if it was a cat otherwise there was no other pet spending i mean it's still shocking i mean just how far this industry has come totally and the fact that it's in not just single digit not just double digit but now triple digit billions of dollars that is an astronomical amount of money and even if you look at sort of cultural practices the idea that dogs might sleep like on your bed is kind of laughable i think when you think about back in the seventies or eighties like the dogs were sleeping on a rug on the floor if they were lucky right sort wonder what that says about us more broadly that we're sort of funneling so much money into our furry companions here yeah and speaking of furry companions not all of them are furry that's right because you also went really deep into this influencer so when i was reading about pets and sort of how the pet industry had continued this exponential rise in the last few years i got kind of curious about the other category like it was coming across statistics that show that you know there's sixty eight million dogs apparently kept us pets in the states forty nine million cats like these are huge numbers and then i saw that there were six million pets that are classified as other so you know a little maybe more like off beat rabbits hamster we grew up with a hamster mice guinea pigs and ants it turns out that there's this youtube channel that has seven million subscribers there are sort of double digit millions of viewers on these videos and the channels called ants antscanada and it was started by a guy who used to be a pop singer he had sort of made it quite far on canadian idol which is our you know little american idol spin off for the canadians among us here that once featured carly rey j i mean it wasn't that little that's right ride of canada so he had sort of made it quite far on the first season and you know i think he's sort of tooling about in the music industry and nothing is quite taking off and so on the side he is keeping ants he'd always been interested in and you know the classic kind of kid's story of like turning over rock in your backyard and looking at what's underneath and what kind of ic creepy crawl run outside and so sort of on a la he started filming these pictures of these ant farms he was keeping in his parents basement and the channel somehow took off and if i sound my it's because i am like i don't know truly still what prompts someone to park in front of their screen and watch the videos of ant farms for hours but it's not even just videos now mikey boost of this pop singer like it's a business ant canada is selling products and quite a few of them that's right and so his first ant video was posted in twenty ten and then there were a couple of years of sort of growing pains he moved permanently to the philippines and so shut the company down for a hot minute and then started it back up again and so in addition to riding the content creator wave that was sort of happening at that time and continues to be quite lucrative for people he started developing products of his own and it came about pretty organically the way he tells it followers of his channel in the early days were asking him if he could design sort of similar farms to the ones that he had built for himself and he would sort of put them together send them off charge fifty bucks and not think too much of it and then a few years later he decided to get serious and since then the company has apparently sold hundreds of thousands of these ant farms and they retail for around a hundred dollars per unit and up depending on sort of what gear is included and what books you want included and things like that and it's a little more of a serious take on that sort of old school like i don't know if you remember these that the uncle milton ant farm toy that was sort of toys r us things like that so that company did quite well for many years apparently they've sold twenty million units and still operating but it's really more geared towards kids where the ants canada product is a little more sort of ant that's right hardcore ant things were the ant flu yeah so then ants have become a big deal you know at least for nike boost those and many others what is next what insect are you looking at is it a ro poll or what i mean i'm really waiting for cent to have their moment i think we're almost there that's where i'm putting my money alright well one day we will be on this podcast discussing the first cent feed influencer that's gonna do it for us so thank you everybody for tuning into the hustle daily show for a powered part of hubspot media our editor today is robert har our executive producer is darren clark got a lot more tech and business coverage in our newsletter so if you're not subscribed please go get signed up at the hustle dot c slash email and you can always follow us on instagram at the hustle daily we will see you tomorrow look i'm gonna be straight with you everybody's talking about ai but most people are just playing around with chat instead of actually making money from it that's why we drop the ultimate crash course to create your own ai side hustle in seven days we're talking real frameworks and strategies from the pros like the founder of the hustle sam par it includes many guides templates the whole nine yard stuff that takes years to figure out condensed into one week stop what you're doing right now and 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good morning everyone it is tuesday september t i am juliet bennett r here with john miguel and this is the hustle daily show today we're gonna be talking about the wizard of us the wizard of oz came out in nineteen thirty nine you can pretty much watch it streaming for free anywhere you've probably seen it a million times so why are people spending hundreds of dollars to see it now while it turns out that is the draw of las vegas sphere it is three hundred sixty six feet tall five hundred sixteen feet wide and apparently the world's biggest spherical structure and also one of its greatest venues apparently we are gonna talk about why that is in a moment but before we do that let's give you the news in business and tech seattle ultrasonic new ultrasonic chef's knife is as they say the first of its kind for home cooks the rechargeable c two hundred knife looks like the standard kitchen fair except it has a power button on the handle that makes it vibrate over forty thousand times per second is apparently helpful for reducing friction making for a cleaner cuts that require less force it also helps keep food from sticking to the blade which does sound nice if you have the required three hundred ninety nine dollars hanging around plus another one hundred forty nine dollars for their fancy charging tile it's probably also gonna be a subscription that's my prediction we will need a subscription to use your smart knife in the future like everything else anyhow tilly nor is not real but she is generating a lot of controversy ai van v created tilly in ai generated character for her ai talent studio and now says that various talent agents have been interested in tilly as an actress and this of course led to considerable backlash from real actors now van be has said that tilly is not meant as a replacement for people but a new tool akin to animation puppet tree or cgi which is interesting because she also once said that she hoped that tilly would become the scarlet johansson or natalie portman who are last i checked real people next up a fruitful venture sun world international which claims the world's first seed list grapes and seed list watermelon and pair wise maker of the world's first seal list blackberry are teaming up on what would become another first to market product a pit list cherry electronic arts agreed to be taken private and a deal worth about fifty five billion dollars led by public investment fund saudi arabia sovereign wealth fund as it divers identifies investments from oil into gaming if this deal is completed it will be the largest ever buyout of a public company not adjusted for inflation according to the new york times and finally and this will surprise you neon that would be the app that pays users to record their phone calls to sell that data to ai companies to train their ai models has been temporarily taken offline due to security vulnerabilities that exposed user data neon at one point very recently had the number two spot on apple's app stores list of free apps before it was removed meaning that a lot of you seemingly just do not care who listens to your weekly phone call with your mother for more headlines like that you can subscribe to the show and we'll have more for you tomorrow so today we're talking about a movie that has been around for almost one hundred years at this point and having a bit of a residency and a bit of a resurgence at this sphere in las vegas julia can you tell me what this movie is and what's happening in vegas the movie is the wizard of oz which is a beloved classic yes everybody's seen it probably you don't get much more classic family friendly film in the wizard of oz despite the fact that do not flying monkeys are kind of scary when you're a small child they're kinda scary yeah and this nineteen thirty nine film has had somewhat of a resurrection well obviously i think part of this resurrection is because of wicked right for sure and that being like a theater extra and wicked two coming out relatively soon but not wicked but wizard of oz is at the sphere in las vegas yes the og and apparently it is really paying off for the sphere which if you remember when we initially started talking about it was imagined as yes the place where you could watch movies darren air natsuki had a piece there but largely a concert venue it actually open with a youtube performance yeah d and c have played there mh quite a few artists have come through there yeah and that's great people love it apparently but the wizard of oz is what is crushing it right now and if you just wanna talk about the numbers here so sphere entertainment spent an estimated two point three billion dollars to build this thing and it is state of the art if you've been to las vegas since it's been built i'm sure you've seen it you can't miss it it's huge it is the largest spherical structure on earth apparently yes that's right so you're thinking about you know they spent two point three billion dollars on it and according to a piece in the hollywood reporter where they spoke with wolfe research analyst peter it is going to make estimated profits of over five hundred million dollars in twenty twenty six wow an adjusted operating income near two hundred million dollars which of course according to this analysis will make it very appealing to investors and also studios who may be interested in also resurrect directing their own iconic ips yeah so it's going really well now why well if you work to see the wizard of oz at a rep screening anywhere near you would probably be anywhere from five to twenty dollars but not at this sphere mh tickets at this sphere start at one hundred fourteen dollars oh god okay pause there because that's a lot of money to see a movie that you can watch anytime yes anywhere practically i'm sure there's quite a significant difference between watching wizard of oz on a flat screen versus at the sphere i'm sure the sphere you probably get more of like an experience with everything more interactive more stuff going on do they extend the imagery at all that's another question yes so i would say that seeing a film at the sphere is probably unlike seeing a film anywhere else and we have talked about forty x cedar before which you know they ran on you the seat smooth right really wanted to see jaws and cardiac x did not happen would have loved to see twister and forty x also didn't happen but i mean that sounds amazing right yeah but it's still a traditional screen whereas the sphere is this sphere so yeah new is surrounded on top all around by you know what is essentially an imax screen so you're like in vr but you're not in vr that is the field division right and so in order to play a movie in this format you actually need to adapt it for this format that only exists in this one place so they actually spent a hundred million dollars to adapt it and that included and this is controversial using ai and other technology to stretch and manipulate the imagery mh so they cut the film down you're actually paying a hundred fourteen dollars to watching movie that is shorter and has less content the original shorter actually yes because some of it couldn't be adapted wow and then it is kind of like how when the meta started or like nobody has legs why doesn't anyone have legs yeah yeah you know people do not have legs in some scenes in this movie because that's how this scene is cut it's from the torso up but now it's stretched you gotta give them legs if you can imagine like how you would have to manipulate this so i did not pay a one hundred fourteen dollars to watch this movie but i did read several reviews and a lot of people are talking about how you know just incredible these effects are there's snow there's wind during the tornado there's smells that come in at appropriate times like this just there's p tech like there's just all sorts of wild things that happen but at the same time some of the ai effects are really uncanny so like someone was talking about how dorothy appears sort of in a weird place on the screen and she appears to have no pores and her face just looks really weird it kind of looks like an uncanny valley version of judy garland who has you know one of the most recognizable faces of all time because of her fame in this movie so there's a lot of weirdness with it which is not to say that this technology could not get better but there is a lot of controversy about taking a piece and using ai to essentially man it for something is that good is that bad do we wanna see something like this apparently yes apparently people are paying a hundred fourteen dollars to see this so yeah it seems like they're selling a lot of tickets and of course given the projection you said about what they're aiming to make in twenty twenty six they seem pretty confident that people will continue to come see this movie and potentially others in the future as you alluded to earlier yeah and you know this isn't the only theater that's doing something like this i think this sphere is probably the most intense example just because of how state of the art it is how large it is in terms of what it can accommodate in terms of just the sheer magnitude and the state of the art tech that's inside it but there are other theaters doing something similar there's actually one called ko which has locations in dallas and the los angeles area that adapted the matrix oh wow okay it's also in a dome but while i have not been to see it i have read a lot about it and it seems like the effects are kind of around the screen so it's not really manipulating the actual movie but know when he's doing his hacker stuff like the whole thing is like that green lettering and you know there's a binary code yeah yeah so there's other immersive touches so ka which i have been to once before i went to go see cirque slave and when i saw that i was like i would rather just go see cirque display than watch it on a sphere like sure yes that makes sense i saw a little behind the scenes stuff it's just kinda cool but not enough for me to be like yeah this is much cooler than if i just saw the thing and i remember thinking to myself you know if i were like a big fan of let's say taylor swift and i couldn't get a ticket to the arr tour because it's sold out and they're very expensive but i could come and watch the arr tour here and get you know behind the scenes yeah back backstage footage of her getting ready and i was that might be worth it to me if i were a huge fan of taylor swift cousins whole thing is like live sports and that makes sense you can't go to the super bowl but you wanna have the immersive experience with a bunch of other fans exactly i think this also makes sense because ka has a restaurant and a bar and tickets to this matrix screening are much cheaper than the sphere they started about fifty bucks or under fifty bucks depending on when it is that you go mh but they can be over a hundred if you include a themed tasting menu time to be delivered at the associated scenes wow including apparently a choice where you get to choose between a red or a blue cocktail at the moment fun where you gotta take the red of their blue pill and i think that's really cool i think secret cinema does a great job having these immersive screenings where you have all of these photo ops and there's even a place near me that does a taste along i also do them in my house if you ever are forced to watch movie at my house i will force you to eat themed courses that i will have spent all day making amazing so i think there's a market for this yeah yeah definitely yeah i think the difficulty is scale i do not charge people to come to my home because i can only make enough food for maybe six people right but if you are the sphere and you have two point three a billion dollars or if your c and you have a restaurant bar of full kitchen and you also have dropped a lot of money i think this is a really scalable way for people to try movies and it transcend the streaming experience because sure yeah can you stream wizard of oz at home yes but can you stream the wizard of oz with inflatable flying monkeys and p tech probably not unless you really have something we're great unless you have a a really good day at spirit halloween yeah yeah i i definitely think that the entertainment industry is evolving with this we've talked a lot about how your traditional movie theater is not doing too well right now and people are moving towards these more premium experiences in a lot of ways the wealthier class obviously are seeking these experiences mh or the people who have saved up their money for like to see star wars we'll spend their money on star wars and they'll probably wanna have an experience seeing star wars four through six i bet at a movie theater somewhere with all of these bells and whistles attached to it so i really think there is a future in this kind of medium for entertainment because people are spending more money on things that they really really really like right and regular theaters aren't doing too great right now so i think this could be a future of like that experience model that everybody's looking towards yeah and i think it's similar to something we've talked about before which is the concert film not to be confused with like this is spinal tap but like when you go and watch movie and it has the live score to it that's very popular with any john williams movie essentially you know nightmare maybe before christmas and even that is transcending you know what you would typically think of as entertainment you would go see live because i've seen a lot of really popular ones for video games mh where people wanna go see music from the witch or final fantasy or two that i've seen recently received yeah there's been one for like sonic the hedgehog you know let's like yeah it's great so to your point it's like yeah maybe i'm not gonna go see a movie every friday now that going and seeing a movie is expensive in popcorn eleven dollars but i will stream movies at home and then save up for the one that's like my my fandom yes like what you love like a sequel to that movie or doing that movie again with some sort of bells and whistles attached exactly so right you know yeah if anyone wants to make a fully immersive hal razor screening i will be there i'll probably be the only person there but just saying just saying if anyone wants to i'm sure it exists the popcorn bucket would be tricked out for that with the spikes and everything yes oh i could be in the little puzzle box i would love it call me i'll be the one fire alright that's gonna do it for us today thank you for tuning to the hustle daily show we're a proud part of the hubspot podcast network our editor today is robert and our executive producer is darren clark we've got a lot more tech and business coverage in our newsletter so if you are not subscribed go get yourself signed up at the hustle dot c slash email and we'll see you tomorrow look i'm gonna be straight with you everybody's talking about ai but most people are just playing around with chat instead of actually making money from it that's why we drop the ultimate crash course to create your own ai side hustle in seven days we're talking real frameworks and strategies from the pros like the founder of the hustle sam par it includes mini guides templates the whole nine yard stuff that takes years to figure out condensed into one week stop what you're doing right now and grab it in the show notes your future self will thank you